Some ideas for VMCC?

[cowpoos]

qualify everything I say below by saying I talking out my arse.... but...

Thinking the difficulty with combining that many classes is I thought you are only allowed 35 bikes on the track... so that limits numbers some what.

and dont trash clubmans just yet cause I just getting into it! (soon)

Still allows for 175 entrys?

[quickbuck]

On the suggestions front. I really like the idea that if an incident is severe enough to cause a red flag then that race gets moved to the back of the program or of course if 50% race distance covered the race is called. Generally theres a few minutes delay doing pickups etc.That gives the next class time to be gridded up on the dummy grid.
I don't feel an innocent class should miss out on racing because one particular class is crash ridden on the day.

Sorry Frosty, there is a little flaw in that plan...
Not sure of the rule exactly, or where it is in the book, but it goes along the lines of this (in most forms of motor racing).
During a race stoppage the bikes return to the pits whole the track is cleared.
NO maintenance work is allowed to be carried out on the bikes......
If less than 50% run, The race will be restarted with a duration remaining determined by the clerk of the course...

That's how I understand it.....

SO, by letting them go back to the pits until the end of the day... Well, that is full of errors.
Especially if the bike is cross entered into another class (where we had to do a ton of work on it to prep it for the other class).

Besides, who would police the no maintenance work?

[FROSTY:Me]

I thought of that QB --then I remembered watching Stroudy wadding his bike really badly at teratonga and a mad dash to fix it ready for the restart.

[GSVR]

I havent been to a vic club meeting in years so I'm not pickin on any class. but logic to me is that if its a red flag crash situation then move that race to back of program.

Ok then... Red flag stoppage in first F1 race and the last race on the programme is F1. Do you propose to run 2 races for the same bikes back to back?

I say give people incentives not to crash like if you crash you don't get any points and you don't get to ride in the restart. No one likes riding against guys that are dangerous. Yeah shit happens and some crashes just happen but others are not.

[Skunk]

A suggested race order

Sidecars
clubmens
F1
F3
Streetstock
F2
Postclassics

Well thought through post Sloan. It has made me think.
We do plan to put "the most likely not to notice a leak" on the grid around lunch and the end of the day to give time to fix things without holding the racing up.
We also reverse the race order. It used to be each round was swapped around and then we started doing so Round 1-3 was one order and Round 4-6 was the reverse order. I don't know what we are doing this year... yet.

Well put lukemiller...and I must admit I thought the program was a bit ambitious too!

The schedule wasn't that hard to meet. But I don't think anything went right on the day. You may have noticed the big delay crashes were when we couldn't call lunch (too early and after we'd had it). Combine it with the weather and other changes - shit happens. We learn from these things.

Now a friendly request - get your entries AND PAYMENTS in for Round 2 NOW! That was one of the issues on the day. Some paid but hadn't entered, some entered hadn't paid, some hadn't done either. Very hard to sort out in the office. (Didn't help my bike wanted to leak oil - I was fixing it when I should have been in the office helping.)

[roadracingoldfart]

Now a friendly request - get your entries AND PAYMENTS in for Round 2 NOW! That was one of the issues on the day. Some paid but hadn't entered, some entered hadn't paid, some hadn't done either. Very hard to sort out in the office.

Dont the supplementary regs state if the entries are not in before the day then they are not accepted on the day . ???
I agree with a bit of lee-way but if it is the reason for delays then thats a reason to stick to the rule. No entry , no race.
Every one else manages to enter on time so the few that dont make those that can plan suffer delays, unfair.

Same for bikes arriving late to the pit gate , if its shut , leave it shut , thats the rule and every time its broken the delays get longer.

PS; I like the revised race order you posted Sloan , works for my team members but some wont like it i guess.

Paul.

[slowpoke]

And again why should everybody else have to suffer?
I find myself empathising with str8jacket and the 150ss/250ss guys. Why should they miss out on a race because F2 was a crashfest?
Actually Given that the entire intent of 150ss is to be the learner class for younguns they to my way of thinking should NEVER get bumped out of the program.

Trying to penalise a class as such doesn't serve any purpose and will be totally ineffective. The "class" is just a loose collection of individuals that varies from round to round, not a cohesive entity you can reason with.

The SS150 comparison isn't really valid either, as far as SS150's are concerned there are probably only 3 corners on Manfeild as the rest of the time the throttle is just pinned. Racing a 600/F1/F3/Post Classic bike is a far more risky proposition hence there will always be more crashes.

I definitely thing 3 races per class on a 1 day meeting is too much. When I saw the programme on Saturday, I knew that was never going to happen! If a day ran like clockwork, didn't rain and no-one crashed you might just squeeze it in! However, as Rnd 1 showed, we were already behind schedule at 9:30am, purely from giving people 20 mins to change tyres because of the weather.

You could also weight the number of laps per race based on the rough pace of the group. For instance - F1, F2, F3 can run 2x 10 lap races whereas Clubmans, Streetstock etc. can run 2x 8 lap races. End of the day, it is just about managing time and that isn't going to happen if you jam pack the schedule from the start.
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I don't think it's too ambitious, but you have to be disciplined and make decisions earlier rather than later to get the schedule back on track. I've seen the WA Motorcycle Racing club run practice, qualifying and 2 x races for each class so every class had 4 track outings. Just word everyone up and stick to your guns with closing the gate (close gate 60sec after opening) and adjust program early to get it back on schedule. I wasn't there but was it not obvious that wets would be required? With losing 20min's at the start, the decision could have been made almost straight away to cut every race by 1 lap.

It's easy with 20:20 hindsight I know, and even with things not going to plan I'm sure Vic Club put in a great effort.

Sorry, I haven't got much sympathy or time for complaints/rejigging the program for cross entrants. Having only paid $20 to enter a second class their rights are secondary to the folks who have paid the full price to get on the same grid.

[ajturbo]

Dont the supplementary regs state if the entries are not in before the day then they are not accepted on the day . ???
I agree with a bit of lee-way but if it is the reason for delays then thats a reason to stick to the rule. No entry , no race.
Every one else manages to enter on time so the few that dont make those that can plan suffer delays, unfair.

Same for bikes arriving late to the pit gate , if its shut , leave it shut , thats the rule and every time its broken the delays get longer.

PS; I like the revised race order you posted Sloan , works for my team members but some wont like it i guess.

Paul.

Hey Paul,

i am on the gate now.. and when it is shut, no rider gets through...
last round, one rider almost missed out ( i was shutting gate as he came... he was never late again!)
I will be hard the next round also

but in saying that, we did have one rider who had to start his race from pit lane
this did not hold up anyone except himself...

[quickbuck]

and 2 x races for each class so every class had 4 track outings. Just word everyone up and stick to your guns with closing the gate (close gate 60sec after opening) and adjust program early to get it back on schedule. I wasn't there but was it not obvious that wets would be required? With losing 20min's at the start, the decision could have been made almost straight away to cut every race by 1 lap.

As you say, you weren't there... BUT as soon as it was decleared a Wet Meet, then the rain stopped and things started to dry......

Smart people bring their bike with one of each tyre fitted on days like that... And SS150 riders just kicked back and chewed the fat

It's easy with 20:20 hindsight I know, and even with things not going to plan I'm sure Vic Club put in a great effort.

Yes, it is easy..... and more importantly Vic Club can take away the lessons and learn from them.... and the effort as such will be more efficient.

[Racey Rider]

And maybe theres our answer.

If it's declared a wet race - "You've got twenty minutes to change your tyres.
In the mean time ........... First call for streetstocks"

Just change the program - chuck us out there - Where ready to go any old time!

GP125's will be changing wheels of course, .... But they can just go out on the back of the next superbike race.

[Dogboy900]

This is not quite in line with the rest of the thread but is a suggestion for VMCC for the winter series.

Is there such a thing as a media officer for VMCC? If someone sent the results to the Dom Post and if one of the photographers present would like to donate a pic for the paper I am sure the paper would have no problems running the results in the weekend sports results and maybe a pic every now and again. It would have to be good advertising for both the club and the series.

[ktm]

Excellent suggestion dogboy. Might get a few more spectators interested as well.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Great idea Dogboy! Only problem is that VMCC are already short of volunteers to get the race meetings to run at all, so until someone puts up their hand to do the job I would be surprised if that will become a reality.

[Clivoris]

It is a good idea dogboy. Her_b4 has done press releases with photographs for us in the past with spectacularly depressing results. As usual, if anyone wants to give her a hand they are more than welcome I'm sure.

[CHOPPA]

Great idea Dogboy! Only problem is that VMCC are already short of volunteers to get the race meetings to run at all, so until someone puts up their hand to do the job I would be surprised if that will become a reality.

Ill do the press release for them......