Dear Mr English, I don't want a tax cut

**Tank** · 21st May 2010, 12:29

Originally Posted by rainman

I wouldn't generalise, necessarily. Tank is quite especially mental.

OK - I have to admit - that did make me laugh

a nice Green Bling for you.

Originally Posted by rainman

Sure, 'cos you can feed the kids and pay the rent from community work. And there won't be any increase in crime or hardship, and besides, they're just filthy bennies...

BTW, how do you expect people to job seek when they are working for free for 30 hours a week?

OK - that was a troll - we can drop that one - we can only argue so much

Originally Posted by rainman

Hope you don't charge too much for that strategic consulting....

Enough that my nice new tax break can buy me a new KTM.

**aprilia_RS250** · 21st May 2010, 13:12

Originally Posted by rainman

BTW, how do you expect people to job seek when they are working for free for 30 hours a week?
Using community work to build skills and move people off benefits = good. (But it does need jobs to be there for them to move to. Many people lack the skills or capital to create these on their own).
Using it as a stick = stoopid.
Hope you don't charge too much for that strategic consulting....

Oh it's soooo hard, all these poor people that need to work for the money that the government dishes out them out. Where is the justice?

This type of left wing mentality really starts boiling my blood.
FFS you do community work for 30h a week and you can't find a job..... Ummmmmmmmmmmm you are awake for 16h a day, you have 80 free hours during your week, you allocate 30h to work then the rest for job hunting. It's not that hard you soft cocks.

Now the question of skill and capital... Boohooo. Newsflash! Everyone in NZ is entitled to free education, then for tertiary you take out a student loan. If I could come out of varsity with a loan and pay it off then anyone can.

If you're unable to find a job and can't expand your skills and you live like this for years and years then I don't want to give you my money via Tax and I won't have any sympathy for you.

**Eyegasm** · 21st May 2010, 13:21

This has to be the best explaination of the way tax works blatantly stolen from Stuff.co.nz

Heres a good hypothetical to explain the tax system, for all of those unfamiliar with how it actually works. Enjoy!

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing. The fifth would pay $1. The sixth would pay $3. The seventh would pay $7. The eighth would pay $12. The ninth would pay $18. The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that’s what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. ‘Since you are all such good customers, he said, ‘I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men – the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his ‘fair share?’ They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33.

But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings). The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings). The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings). The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings). The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings). The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings). Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

‘I only got a dollar out of the $20,’declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,’ but he got $10!’
‘Yeah, that’s right,’ exclaimed the fifth man. ‘I only saved a dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I!’
‘That’s true!!’ shouted the seventh man. ‘Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!’

‘Wait a minute,’ yelled the first four men in unison. ‘We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!’
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

**Delerium** · 21st May 2010, 13:33

Watched an interesting mike more film last night. capitalism, the love affair. Raised some good points.

**Smifffy** · 21st May 2010, 13:44

Originally Posted by aprilia_RS250

Oh it's soooo hard, all these poor people that need to work for the money that the government dishes out them out. Where is the justice?

This type of left wing mentality really starts boiling my blood.
FFS you do community work for 30h a week and you can't find a job..... Ummmmmmmmmmmm you are awake for 16h a day, you have 80 free hours during your week, you allocate 30h to work then the rest for job hunting. It's not that hard you soft cocks.

Now the question of skill and capital... Boohooo. Newsflash! Everyone in NZ is entitled to free education, then for tertiary you take out a student loan. If I could come out of varsity with a loan and pay it off then anyone can.

If you're unable to find a job and can't expand your skills and you live like this for years and years then I don't want to give you my money via Tax and I won't have any sympathy for you.

Personally I'd be happy if they did 15 hours a week, and it could be washing dishes at the meals on wheels, or boxing parcels at the foodbank, cleaning up graffiti, anything really. Quite a while back my wife was out of work, and not on a benefit, but she went to the SPCA shelter every single day - not for a full 8 hours, but she went. She would do whatever was required from selling raffle tickets, to cleaning cages/pens, doing adoptions etc. One day somebody came in and offered her a job. (It was a job that turned out to suck, but that's not the point lol)

**Coldrider** · 21st May 2010, 14:44

Hey there Tank, I have set myself up in life and I pick and choose the contracts I accept to work for and how much I will charge out and the rate, and I work much less than 40 hours.
Want to tell me what to fuckin do?

**Tank** · 21st May 2010, 14:50

Originally Posted by Coldrider

Hey there Tank, I have set myself up in life and I pick and choose the contracts I accept to work for and how much I will charge out and the rate, and I work much less than 40 hours.
Want to tell me what to fuckin do?

Hey there Coldrider - Glad you have set yourself up. I dont give a fuck what you do - how many hours you work or what you charge. Unless you are a prossie - then just send me your rate card and any specials..

**Coldrider** · 21st May 2010, 14:55

Originally Posted by Tank

Hey there Coldrider - Glad you have set yourself up. I dont give a fuck what you do - how many hours you work or what you charge. Unless you are a prossie - then just send me your rate card and any specials..

I told an IT contractor on Tuesday to go jump, it wasn't you was it?
You seem to an ill informed opinion of others in this thread in their situations, why not me?

**Tank** · 21st May 2010, 15:01

Originally Posted by Coldrider

I told an IT contractor on Tuesday to go jump, it wasn't you was it?
You seem to an ill informed opinion of others in this thread in their situations, why not me?

Nope - and Im not a IT contractor. (So much for ill informed opinion's huh). But good on you for telling him to go jump - he probably had it coming for one reason or another.

I'm entitled to my opinion's of people - as they are entitled to theirs - informed or not.

"why not (you)?" - basically because you are of no consequence to me and fall below my level of interest.