Pre89 Senior YSS Suspension FZR1000, Vic R1

[GSVR]

Good first race meet for the new/old bike GW. Was exspecting it to be a little faster from the insider information I was getting but the wet track and oil sufficently explains the reason.

I reacon you could go about 0.01 secs a lap faster with the better suspension. Every little bit counts as races are won by less!

[roadracingoldfart]

you cant help yourself can you.
Your lifes mantra is
"if its not Ohlins its crap"
Further refined as
"if its not Ohlins bought from the only authorised dealer in NZ its crap"
and
"if you dont use ohlins, then by definition you are crap, dont know what you are doing and are going to die"

Noone disputes that Ohlins is one of the best suspensions available, but dare anyone try anything different.
GW wins and its an OK result by a top rider.
Your way of saying
despite the suspension he won. If you arent a top rider and you choose YSS you are in trouble
If he fell off you would be all over here crowing about the suspension liberally peppered with "I told you so"
If an ohlins mounted rider falls off, well that was tyres, or the rider, the track, it definitely wasnt the suspension.

Noone is slagging off the ohlins equipped bikes that DIDNT win. (they obviously dont know how to ride because there is nothing wrong with their suspension, fact.)

Is it so hard to just say "great result, good on you" without having a dig at GW's team because they dared to be a little different?

And i could add that even GW (mk2) could have a differant result in the future with some of the other P/C senior guys attending the future rounds.
Point being , hes bloody good but he was also under less pressure for his first outing and the suspention may not have been the deciding factor.
I got the same shit slung at me in 1990 when i ran a White Power shod RC30 and yet i crashed twice in one race and still won by half a straight , comp was minimal and i was lucky. Next round a few Auck , Naki guys turned up and gave me a spanking. I hated Dave Martin that day lol.

Paul.

[Robert Taylor]

you cant help yourself can you.
Your lifes mantra is
"if its not Ohlins its crap"
Further refined as
"if its not Ohlins bought from the only authorised dealer in NZ its crap"
and
"if you dont use ohlins, then by definition you are crap, dont know what you are doing and are going to die"

Noone disputes that Ohlins is one of the best suspensions available, but dare anyone try anything different.
GW wins and its an OK result by a top rider.
Your way of saying
despite the suspension he won. If you arent a top rider and you choose YSS you are in trouble
If he fell off you would be all over here crowing about the suspension liberally peppered with "I told you so"
If an ohlins mounted rider falls off, well that was tyres, or the rider, the track, it definitely wasnt the suspension.

Noone is slagging off the ohlins equipped bikes that DIDNT win. (they obviously dont know how to ride because there is nothing wrong with their suspension, fact.)

Is it so hard to just say "great result, good on you" without having a dig at GW's team because they dared to be a little different?

Incorrect, did I not mention the two other top brands? Glenn is a great rider (fact) and I have amiable dialogue with him and have also told him that he would go better with better suspension. No malice between him and I because he is still using the same basic suspension we ( CKT ) developed for his F3 bike 3 seasons back . He may care to confirm that if you ask him.
And I said somewhere else to the effect ''each to his own''. But its also fair to point out the differences between mid price and top shelf. My only crime is daring to challenge, publicly.

[roogazza]

Paul, I thought Rainey won that year ?? LOL

[QUOTE=roadracingoldfart
I got the same shit slung at me in 1990 when i ran a White Power shod RC30 and yet i crashed twice in one race and still won by half a straight , comp was minimal and i was lucky. Next round a few Auck , Naki guys turned up and gave me a spanking. I hated Dave Martin that day lol.

Paul.[/QUOTE]

[codgyoleracer]

And i could add that even GW (mk2) could have a differant result in the future with some of the other P/C senior guys attending the future rounds.
Point being , hes bloody good but he was also under less pressure for his first outing and the suspention may not have been the deciding factor.
I got the same shit slung at me in 1990 when i ran a White Power shod RC30 and yet i crashed twice in one race and still won by half a straight , comp was minimal and i was lucky. Next round a few Auck , Naki guys turned up and gave me a spanking. I hated Dave Martin that day lol.

Paul.

Haha , Dave Martin , Detour and Huggybear from the naki were all on the quick side aye Paul. I agree though , it will be good to see more turning up to play at the pointy end and also to see those that are running in 2nd,3rd,4th to lift thier game even further aye.
Suspensionwise - we have more to come as we dial things in hopefully - and as you say i may just need everything i can get ! :-)
Glen

[roadracingoldfart]

Haha , Dave Martin , Detour and Huggybear from the naki were all on the quick side aye Paul. I agree though , it will be good to see more turning up to play at the pointy end and also to see those that are running in 2nd,3rd,4th to lift thier game even further aye.
Suspensionwise - we have more to come as we dial things in hopefully - and as you say i may just need everything i can get ! :-)
Glen

Ahh yes a bunch of facory supported bastards they all were lol.
Round 2 and futures will be fun , it makes me want to come to all of them now hahahaha now makes note to get Wootton to sort Codgys ass out

[nzkr1]

More than a few people beg to differ, been there tried that, got sick of crashing and with really stupid setups that were getting them nowhere. That gives suspension tuners in general a bad name. We also have our ''failures'' but our ratio is appreciably lower and we persist in sorting out issues rather than hoodwinking them into thinking a solution that just isnt going to work. For example a 13 newton spring recommended and fitted to a CBR600 for an average weight rider, that just sends the wheel force rate ballistic. THAT IS THE REALLY DUMB STUFF THAT IS BEING DONE. And how do you know you are not being spun a line given all the fantastic stories of ''deeds glorious and victorious'' in previous incarnations going back at least 100 years.

Sorry, I have no time for brazen BS and ego, and those that perpetuate it.

Not once have I bagged your ability to tune suspension, this thread is about YSS and Glen doing well because of it. YSS is obviously a cheaper alternative to Ohlin’s, Penske and WP only because manufacturing and assembly takes place in Thailand. I believe that the engineers behind YSS have come from some of those other high profile suspension manufactures to make the product what it is, world class.
Having competed at quite a few meetings over the last few years I have observed your performance, and would like to say that your product and service are totally out of my league. I would also imagine that a lot of the other racers who aren’t factory backed and have limited funds would feel the same. We need someone to possibly fill that gap. I hardly think that you would have the time to advise suspension set up to everyone in the pits and especially to someone who is using 21 year old suspension.

[gixerracer]

According to Robert Taylor it means Yobo's suspension service

What is yss suspension?

[roadracingoldfart]

Paul, I thought Rainey won that year ?? LOL

Only cause i didnt turn up to the final round Gary ya smart ass.

[GSVR]

According to Robert Taylor it means Yobo's suspension service

Thanks for that. I was told YSS stood for "Your Suspension Sucks"

Can't ague the fact Oleans is best after seeing how RT transformed Sloans' BMW aye! 8.5s on first outing on wet oily track. I think we have next years Superbike Champ!

[Robert Taylor]

Thanks for that. I was told YSS stood for "Your Suspension Sucks"

Can't ague the fact Oleans is best after seeing how RT transformed Sloans' BMW aye! 8.5s on first outing on wet oily track. I think we have next years Superbike Champ!

Hey thats better than my slang! Laughing my head off right now. Dont over-rate the BMW ( Bob Marley and the Wailers ) Theres a lot of work to do yet, as soon as it gets some real horsepower its going to tie the rear suspension in knots and we will have to start over. And then it will be Ohshit, an acronym for Ohlins.
All kudos to Sloan, he is an effective, talented and sensible rider and wants to go places. We need more ex puddle jumpers like him.

[Robert Taylor]

Not once have I bagged your ability to tune suspension, this thread is about YSS and Glen doing well because of it. YSS is obviously a cheaper alternative to Ohlin’s, Penske and WP only because manufacturing and assembly takes place in Thailand. I believe that the engineers behind YSS have come from some of those other high profile suspension manufactures to make the product what it is, world class.
Having competed at quite a few meetings over the last few years I have observed your performance, and would like to say that your product and service are totally out of my league. I would also imagine that a lot of the other racers who aren’t factory backed and have limited funds would feel the same. We need someone to possibly fill that gap. I hardly think that you would have the time to advise suspension set up to everyone in the pits and especially to someone who is using 21 year old suspension.

Yes indeed, totally accepted. Im not by any means saying that brand is bad as such but having pulled yet another one apart today I can well understand where they are cutting corners to save cost, notwithstanding that they are made in a country arguably on the brink of civil war. Whilst I havent followed that to the nth degree I guess its reasonable to surmise that their working conditions and close to slave labour rates influence that ( okay I am moralising here! ) But we are all collectively hypocites in this warped and out of kilter world. From the shirts on our backs to the plethora of consumables that are before us we all marvel at the cheap prices for many consumer toys, while conveniently forgetting that many are assembled / sourced at close to slave labour rates

Having familiarised myself yet more with the internal construction of that brand ( we work on far more than our beloved Swedish product ) I think the phrase ''World class suspension'' is really pushing it. Ive been in the suspension game 25 years and Ive seen and worked on a LOT of brands. Some brands are innovators because they have huge R&D facilities ( eg Ohlins ) Others are copiers and its easy to see what brands fall into that category. With the forthcoming electronic revolution they will be left further behind.

Actually we are not out of your league at all, have you ever made yourself known to either myself or Dennis? We are more than happy to talk to anyone and offer help, irrespective of age of bike, suspension etc. We dont exactly cruise around the pits like ''roving sharks''. That is not our style, but if ANYONE asks for help we are MORE than happy to assist. Yes we are very busy with the top guys but we will absolutely help everyone irrespective of ability, means or whatever. Dont let anyone tell you otherwise. Ive lost count of the number of people we have helped and not charged a brass razoo, in fact we actually get a kick out of helping ''randomn'' people that come to us and seeing real improvement!

[jellywrestler]

Two words:- Jelly Wrestling

did someone call?

[Peter Smith]

Thanks for that. I was told YSS stood for "Your Suspension Sucks"

I'm sure it stood for the "Yellow Snow Society" I stand corrected.

[PeeJay]

Incorrect, did I not mention the two other top brands? Glenn is a great rider (fact) and I have amiable dialogue with him and have also told him that he would go better with better suspension. No malice between him and I because he is still using the same basic suspension we ( CKT ) developed for his F3 bike 3 seasons back . He may care to confirm that if you ask him.
And I said somewhere else to the effect ''each to his own''. But its also fair to point out the differences between mid price and top shelf. My only crime is daring to challenge, publicly.

You did mention other brands, but you certainly dont see them as the equal of ohlins, and while you dont dismiss them as you do YSS, you are quick to go into technobabble mode to point out why ohlins is better.

"have also told him that he would go better with better suspension"

You obviously dont think much of his racing experience and skill if you felt the need to pass this bit of wisdom on.
He's not 5 yrs old, he knows better suspension, better tyres, better leathers, better etc etc etc, or a big bag of money, will all contribute to making his times better.
Anybody who has raced for more than 5 minutes knows all of this.

Everyone knows Ohlins produce some of the worlds top suspension systems.
Anyone buying YSS and thinking they are getting Ohlins are deluded.
These are self evident.
All Glen has basically said is he's running YSS, went OK, a few adjustments it went better, room for improvement.
No mention of Ohlins, no veiled references to ohlins, no reference to any higher priced units. Someone asked how much and he replied.
You on the other hand climb straight in boots and all and go into great detail as to whats wrong with YSS, complete with examples of customer dissatisfaction, basically rubbishing them as pretenders, trying to make a cheap copy of Ohlins and making a hash of it. Swedish and German steel, assembled in Sweden etc, compared to a slave labour, sweat shop factory in Thailand, steel and ali from the local scrap yard, all in a corrupt country on the brink of civil war.
And by association anyone using YSS, including GW, is a muppet who wouldnt know if the sun was shining.

Your Suspension Sucks
Hey thats better than my slang! Laughing my head off right now

That comment speaks volumes about you
But hey, I am sure anyone remotely considering YSS has been scared off and you phone will be ringing hot with orders.
Or maybe people will look up YSS on the web, have read, have a think, ask a couple of questions, and make their minds up for themselves.

Your anti YSS rant has probably helped them more than you would like!!
You never know.