Pre89 Senior YSS Suspension FZR1000, Vic R1

[Robert Taylor]

Great too see the YSS1000 circulating with some very modern machinery in F1 on Saturday. Highlight of the days racing for me. Pity the old girl decided to fall to bits on you with a couple of laps to go.

Perhaps you could sell Robert your intellectual property rights to the information you have on how set up post classics (or does that belong to the Duke?)

Heck I better have that for Ernie Cudby, no time to waste.

[Ivan]

and keep an eye out for my brother William to on his Triumph Daytona only his 4th time on the bike and is doing some impressive riding coming up to 7th place at one point in F1 until his crash but still finished 10th I think

Alot of these guy's are lifting there game plan alright its good will be good to see how the guys performance goes when some of these national level riders show up its only going to help them even more

[roadracingoldfart]

And i heard a rumor an old fart was going to make a cameo appearance this year too.

[Drew]

I agree 100%, fit Ohlins to just about anything and it will be "better"
But if there is no real problem (real or imagined) to solve then fitting Ohlins to make it better is just a case of making it better for the sake of making it better.
eg
A Lexus is "better" than a Toyota, should all Toyota owners rush out and buy a Lexus ?
If there is nothing actually "wrong" with your Toyota why would you? Unless you wanted a Lexus for the sake of having a Lexus
Same here, everyone knows fitting Ohlins will make their bike "better" but if what they have is working perfectly fine for their needs and they dont actually have a problem, then they may as well leave well enough alone. Which considering the number of bikes on the road with stock suspension, the vast majority of people do.
Of course if you want Ohlins for the sake of having Ohlins, and have money burning a hole in your pocket, then go for it.
Nothing wrong with a bit of bling

Nailed your own coffin there fella. This thread started in the racing section, (though I suspect it'll end in PD), and ON a race bike you want the best. No question, no exceptions. If you believe you are running the best then you're set, if you buy something you know not to be as good, you're putting a hurdle in your head before you sit on the bike. Unless of course you know you're not gonna get fuck all of a challenge from the competition, then you save a bit of money for the celebratory drinks after your wins.

I can see what put your nose out of joint to begin with in Robert posting an answer to an un asked question, but your argument is full of holes and misinformation.

When I see a WSB sporting a YSS sticker and doing well, I'll consider it a possible alternative, (albeit form an approved technician I feel I can trust). Till then I'll do my best, to emulate the best.

[sugilite:Me]

Did you fit the FZ750 6 speed box as I suggested Glen?

Yep, and a OWO1 clutch also fits, the frame can be chopped and bought in a degree, if the exhaust is standard (unlikely), the exup valve can be removed. How do I know this? Because the "winner" of the PRODUCTION championship back in the day on the same model of bike had done all of that and much more. It's not heresay either, my mate bought that bike with chopped frame, minus exup and many, many other non standard bits and pieces. Said rider got a overseas ride after winning that championship and even though said bike was clearly heard making 5 upwards gear changes at levels, nothing was ever done. After the last championship race, he even had a cheek to ask me if I was racing the next season as apparently according to him, they needed the little guys like me competeing. Had the one hour window to protest him not just expired when he said that to me, I would have protested his bike, just like his distributer backed team mate had been begging me to do all season. I wonder if there are still royal road racing families immune from prosecuttion about these days too? Been waiting 20 years to get that gem off my chest

[Robert Taylor]

Yep, and a OWO1 clutch also fits, the frame can be chopped and bought in a degree, if the exhaust is standard (unlikely), the exup valve can be removed. How do I know this? Because the "winner" of the PRODUCTION championship back in the day on the same model of bike had done all of that and much more. It's not heresay either, my mate bought that bike with chopped frame, minus exup and many, many other non standard bits and pieces. Said rider got a overseas ride after winning that championship and even though said bike was clearly heard making 5 upwards gear changes at levels, nothing was ever done. After the last championship race, he even had a cheek to ask me if I was racing the next season as apparently according to him, they needed the little guys like me competeing. Had the one hour window to protest him not just expired when he said that to me, I would have protested his bike, just like his distributer backed team mate had been begging me to do all season. I wonder if there are still royal road racing families immune from prosecuttion about these days too? Been waiting 20 years to get that gem off my chest

Yes , built by an old friend of mine and by all accounts it worked rather well. Road racing ''royal families'' I think not. Closest to that were probably Wellington Motorcycles 6 hour production specials in the 70s through early 80s. Everyone was bending the rules in production racing.

[sugilite:Me]

Yes, I did notice it worked rather well.
And yes, I once bought a certain Wellington Motorcycle 'production' bike before I started racing, it was insanely fast before it went bang 3 days after I bought it, then the replacement parts arrived and it seemed to lose a lot of power....go figure

For the record, in my rookie year on a obsolete bike at the nats and with me starting my racing career on a big bore bike, on tracks I'd never seen, the powers that be impounded my bike after my 2nd podium finish to check it over. I was most relieved they did this as I was no cheater and it shut the wagging tongues up. I did find it interesting they impounded my bike when the year after I I think even motorcycling New Zealand's tea lady's cat knew about that "production" bike in question, so I think we will have to agree to disagree on the royal family thing.

I think one needs to be a certain personality type to actually gain any sort of satisfaction from winning by way of cheating. I just don't see the point myself.

And I forgot to mention in my earlier post and would like to clarify, just because I quoted Roberts post, in no way was I saying Robert was in any way involved.

Yes , built by an old friend of mine and by all accounts it worked rather well. Road racing ''royal families'' I think not. Closest to that were probably Wellington Motorcycles 6 hour production specials in the 70s through early 80s. Everyone was bending the rules in production racing.

[dipshit]

So in this and similar cases YSS would be as good as Ohlins. Certainly more bang for your buck, so when looked at in its entirety actually better than Ohlins.

When spending that kind of coin, I am happy spending an extra few hundred bucks to have the best even just for street use. Why not.

I was tossing up for a while between the cheaper option of rebuilding the standard shock or going for a TTX.

Then was talking to an old friend at a rally who had just fitted good suspension to his off-road 4WD and was astonished at the difference. It could soak up bumps like they weren't there yet still gave a firm non wallowing ride.

So when I mentioned I was deciding between rebuilding or getting an Ohlins, he asked how much to rebuild the OEM shock...? how much for the Ohlins...?

His reply... "don't fuck around and just get the TTX"

[coreys]

Where did you pluck 4 to 6k from? Its easy to assume and then base your argument on how out of whack the assumption is. We have new prices from Sweden that are significantly better and in real terms not that much greater than mid price products.

This is quite possiblay the dumbest question every asked on kiwibiker.

But i will humour you...Where did i get the $4 to 6k amount from? the answer is YOU you bloody twat!

Please refer to your own advertising on page 96 of Bike Rider magazine issue 62: and i quote:


"ohlins fgk145 front fork cartridge kit. the ultimate ........blah blah blah.....retail incl $3499.90"
"ohlins YA888 TTX36 rear shock. dramatically improve....blah blah blah..retail incl $2799.90"

Now unless my maths is wrong that comes to a wee total of $6299.80 PLUS fitting costs.

And before you start your normal wank fest saying i have misquoted, or im not comaparing apples with appples and all the usual crap that comes from you, my post you quoted clearly stated that not everyone has $4 to $6k to spend on TOP OHLINS KIT

[Robert Taylor]

This is quite possiblay the dumbest question every asked on kiwibiker.

But i will humour you...Where did i get the $4 to 6k amount from? the answer is YOU you bloody twat!

Please refer to your own advertising on page 96 of Bike Rider magazine issue 62: and i quote:


"ohlins fgk145 front fork cartridge kit. the ultimate ........blah blah blah.....retail incl $3499.90"
"ohlins YA888 TTX36 rear shock. dramatically improve....blah blah blah..retail incl $2799.90"

Now unless my maths is wrong that comes to a wee total of $6299.80 PLUS fitting costs.

And before you start your normal wank fest saying i have misquoted, or im not comaparing apples with appples and all the usual crap that comes from you, my post you quoted clearly stated that not everyone has $4 to $6k to spend on TOP OHLINS KIT

You are now well behind the eight ball with pricing. Given the strength of our NZ$ against greenbacks, dumping that was going on and a parallell importer we have been able to negotiate a much better pricing regime with Ohlins, plus we have trimmed our margins to the bone. Add to that the the new NIX30 catridges have less parts in them and are significantly ( and I mean significantly ) cheaper. Crap? Aside from not suffering fools I believe Ive helped a lot of people on this site.
Onwards.

[dipshit]

What I sometimes find perplexing with motorcycling in NZ is the tall poppy syndrome towards anybody that spends any half decent money for top shelf stuff on their bikes. Go to a motorcycle rally and check out some of the home-made knock-up jobs done on so many bikes. It's like grunge and number 8 wire and on the cheap do-it-yourself fabrication is the in trend.

Yet in car circles in NZ... no one bats an eyelid at spending $80,000 on an engine... $10,000 on a set of rims... or $6,000 on an exhaust system. Not to mention the coin spent on sound systems and paint jobs!

A couple of K for top shelf suspension and technical backup would be small fry in the eyes of some car enthusiasts I know.

[coreys]

You are now well behind the eight ball with pricing. Given the strength of our NZ$ against greenbacks, dumping that was going on and a parallell importer we have been able to negotiate a much better pricing regime with Ohlins, plus we have trimmed our margins to the bone. Add to that the the new NIX30 catridges have less parts in them and are significantly ( and I mean significantly ) cheaper. Crap? Aside from not suffering fools I believe Ive helped a lot of people on this site.
Onwards.

Ok then, fair enough, what is the exact price for the items i mentioned above? is it still within the 4-6k range?

PS i have read several of your posts that have provided help to people, i acknowledge that. the 'crap' i was refering to was the stuff dished out to anyone that dare to disagree with you.

[White trash]

What I sometimes find perplexing with motorcycling in NZ is the tall poppy syndrome towards anybody that spends any half decent money for top shelf stuff on their bikes. Go to a motorcycle rally and check out some of the home-made knock-up jobs done on so many bikes. It's like grunge and number 8 wire and on the cheap do-it-yourself fabrication is the in trend.

Yet in car circles in NZ... no one bats an eyelid at spending $80,000 on an engine... $10,000 on a set of rims... or $6,000 on an exhaust system. Not to mention the coin spent on sound systems and paint jobs!

A couple K for top shelf suspension and technical backup would be small fry in the eyes of some car enthusiasts I know.

Holy shit! We agree on something, I don't believe it.

Prior to me purchasing it, the previous owner of my car had spent around 6K on suspension, fully custom built three way adjustable Konis in each corner. Adding to that the price of a full nolathane kit out to make sure it was top notch and tighter than new. Full set of new brakes built by race brakes in Auckland, can't remeber the figure but I've got the receipt here somewhere. 4 and a half K on nicely customizing the leather interior to modernize it a bit. New steering rack with quicker ratio, pump, lines and a bloody big magnetic filter added. New dif with lower ratio and rebuilt and beefed up the trans for trackdays and drags.

This is a road and family car, used daily. If someone had dedicated the same time and investment to their road bike in NZ they'd be labled a poser and ridiculed behind their back. Fucken NZ cracks me up sometines

[crazy man]

YSS Suspension should be band alread first and sec in posties and good enough to get sec in the super bikes on a 21 year old bike!

[scracha]

YSS Suspension should be band alread first and sec in posties and good enough to get sec in the super bikes on a 21 year old bike!

Second in posties is running Ohlins mate.