Death by Boy Racer

[Headbanger]

Very valid points , BUT , it still does not mean the driver involved was driving like you describe , let the police make that call.
Some cars driving like idiots does not mean its a race track for every car that uses that road.

The indication that he was driving like a twat is that he lost control, slid across the road, and killed a child, This doesn't happen by itself, The car didn't do it, The road didn't do anything, It was the person driving the car who is responsible for taking a child's life.

Its a damn shame that in this country you can get away with killing people as long as you use your car to do it, He should be charged with manslaughter.

[Flip]

These guys need a concrete strip that they can go to to do their own stuff, any time of the day or night, and for free. If anyone gets hurt there (in a more controlled environment) it is their own risk. It just makes sense to get these guys off the road.

Firstly, Ruapuna race track is open 3 days a week to the public. These morons won't use it because their "custom modified" cut spring race cars don't handle very well at all and the ultra low profile tyres are actually just a fashion statement, a bit like wearing high heals in a running race.

Nobody in Christchurch, who have been on the receiving end of these delinquents bad behaviour is ever going to allow the CCC to build them a venue to race or burn rubber. The situation here is so bad that the Citizens are just sick and tired of the noise, damage, risk and rubbish that they will never support this suggestion.

[onearmedbandit]

Not stirring but can someone point me to the evidence that the driver was 'drifting' his car? Or that he is a boy racer? If there is hard evidence that he was/is then let him face the consequences of his actions. If however it was simply driver error and/or inexperience or even mechanical failure/road conditions then he has my absolute sympathy.

[roadracingoldfart]

The indication that he was driving like a twat is that he lost control, slid across the road, and killed a child, This doesn't happen by itself, The car didn't do it, The road didn't do anything, It was the person driving the car who is responsible for taking a child's life.

Its a damn shame that in this country you can get away with killing people as long as you use your car to do it, He should be charged with manslaughter.

And the indication that may be the case is he made an error in his steering , he tried to correct it and then with the limited driving skills taught to drivers when they are young meant he didnt have a clue what to do and actually made it worse. Its been done before and will be again. I have sneezed wile driving and completely changed lanes , if it was a wet road i may well have crashed its that simple.
Yes some do get away with murder (so to speak) but the real reason is there is either not enough evidence or the situation can be fluked maybe to a lesser charge meaning its a driving offence pure and simple.

No his car didnt do it , no the road didnt do it , no it doesnt happen by itself , but - get a collective of all those situations at the same time being against the driver , mix in a bit of inexperiance and there's your outcome, an accident . Not deliberate , not intended to cause harm , not being a twat , just a chain of unfortunate events collecting into a very tragic outcome. Thats why they are called accidents isnt it ?
I just dont like to see a person hung for something until the full facts are delved into and a verdict has been passed , you and others dont have to like the verdict you just have to accept its not always as you see it , clear cut.

Paul.

[roadracingoldfart]

Wow, I didn't know so many KB members witnessed this accident first hand. And to think the poor confused mother of the little child killed has got it sooo wrong saying he wasn't a boy racer. I mean, come on lady, he is young and drives a Nissan Silvia, gotta be a boy racer don't he.

Not stirring but can someone point me to the evidence that the driver was 'drifting' his car? Or that he is a boy racer? If there is hard evidence that he was/is then let him face the consequences of his actions. If however it was simply driver error and/or inexperience or even mechanical failure/road conditions then he has my absolute sympathy.

OMG a sensible KBer !!!!! Bling to that man

[sondela]

Not stirring but can someone point me to the evidence that the driver was 'drifting' his car? Or that he is a boy racer? If there is hard evidence that he was/is then let him face the consequences of his actions. If however it was simply driver error and/or inexperience or even mechanical failure/road conditions then he has my absolute sympathy.

The mother of the child said publicly that she didn't blame him because he was just a boy on the way home from work who lost control in the rain, ( as many people do) and that he was not drinking, and tried his best to help..

It was a tragic accident! You'd think that bikers, on the receiving end of so much disinformation and bad press would be the last to turn into a lynch mob with no actual evidence

I think the assumptions and narrow minded reactions of the public in general are shocking..

[R-Soul]

Firstly, Ruapuna race track is open 3 days a week to the public. These morons won't use it because their "custom modified" cut spring race cars don't handle very well at all and the ultra low profile tyres are actually just a fashion statement, a bit like wearing high heals in a running race.

Nobody in Christchurch, who have been on the receiving end of these delinquents bad behaviour is ever going to allow the CCC to build them a venue to race or burn rubber. The situation here is so bad that the Citizens are just sick and tired of the noise, damage, risk and rubbish that they will never support this suggestion.

Your comments make no logical sense. And I am sure that the race track is expensive. We would all love to be on teh track 24/7 but teh fact is that we cannot afford it. But lets face it, a strip of abandoned council ground, a burger drive in joint (part owned by council to pay for maintenance and upkeep), and a concrete pad with minimal maintenance is not really a big investment is it? It keeps morons off the street, and reduces the amount of cop time wasted on call outs by irate older citizens. and it will save lives. And it justifies the cops THROWING THE BOOK at anyone doing it on public roads.

I dont see anything not to support?

[R-Soul]

My comments are based on the presumption that he is a boy racer, and that he was doing stupid boy racer stuff on public roads. If he wasn't, I feel fro him too- a massive thing to have on your conscience.

How did he lose control in the rain? Accidents do sometimes just happen.

[Headbanger]

I have sneezed wile driving and completely changed lanes , if it was a wet road i may well have crashed its that simple.
Paul.

If it resulted in you killing a child I'd want you charged with manslaughter as well.

Why do people think its just fine to kill people with cars?

What if I was using a chainsaw, sneezed , cut somebodies head off? would that be cool?

[onearmedbandit]

If it resulted in you killing a child I'd want you charged with manslaughter as well.

Why do people think its just fine to kill people with cars?

What if I was using a chainsaw, sneezed , cut somebodies head off? would that be cool?

For fucks sake, no one is saying it's fine to kill with a car. All some are saying here is that 'NO ONE ON THIS FUCKING FORUM HAS ALL THE FACTS/EVIDENCE IN FRONT OF THEM', so until we do it is only the ignorant who paint the driver as a 'boy racer' who killed an innocent child. He might have been smoking a p pipie while getting a blowie from a crack whore and texting the location of his next attack on society for all we know, or he could have had another vehicle swerve into his lane while he was changing radio station, or he might have been considering his choice of scripture to read out at church on Sunday, or anyfuckingthing. But don't let that stop you, surely someone here can find out his plate number, find his home address and organise a mob to go and kidnap him, drag him behind a pickup and then hang him from a tree. Who needs facts when you can be told what you want to hear from the media.

And regardless of the reason, I'm sure he'll face charges. As he should. But by the police and the courts. Not a bunch of experts on a forum.

[kerryhare]

These guys need a concrete strip that they can go to to do their own stuff, any time of the day or night, and for free. If anyone gets hurt there (in a more controlled environment) it is their own risk. It just makes sense to get these guys off the road.

Like Flip said they can use Ruapuna, Why should our rates go towards providing a strip for them to race on. If they want to race then they should go join a club and do it in a proper controlled enviroment.

[Headbanger]

For fucks sake, no one is saying it's fine to kill with a car. All some are saying here is that 'NO ONE ON THIS FUCKING FORUM HAS ALL THE FACTS/EVIDENCE IN FRONT OF THEM', so until we do it is only the ignorant who paint the driver as a 'boy racer' who killed an innocent child.

Works for me.

Though whether or not he fits the loose definition of boy racer (and he does) is the most irrelevant issue, The fact is his actions resulted in a death of a child and the consequences should reflect that.

And this is just further evidence of the NZ mentality that killing people with cars just aint that serious.

http://www.hawkesbaytoday.co.nz/loca...tence/3913270/

A Hastings family has been left heartbroken and angry after a 19-year-old woman driving on a learner's licence crashed into a car, killing two relatives.

Two people, a 49-year-old man and 31-year-old woman, died at the scene of the crash, while another man was hospitalised with multiple injuries.

Peni-Terekia pleaded guilty to two counts of careless driving causing death and one of careless driving causing injury.

She was sentenced to 200 hours' community work and was disqualified from driving for one year.

The maximum penalty for careless driving causing injury and death is a $4500 fine or three months' imprisonment.

[onearmedbandit]

The thing is, they don't want to race, get it? They want to show off, talk shit, talk cars, chase woman, drink piss, smoke some herb, do donuts, drag each other, drift a bit, pour some diesel down, blast their music, urinate where there isn't toilets, do a burn out or two. Now Ruapuna is cheap to use, but it ain't that cheap. In fact no race track that I could think of wants that on their premises.

So what do we do? Either we completely re-educate every teenager about responsibility, consideration, etc etc...nah that won't work, they're teenagers. Ok, so we can scratch changing mankind. Next on the list is legislate them out of existance. Who? Boyracers? Or teenagers? Because (now some of you might need to stretch your memories a bit, or stop kidding yourself about how perfect you were as a teenager) teenagers will always be pushing the limits, bucking the system, breaking the rules. It's how we mature, we find out what we can do and what we can't do. Some of us learn and mature, some of us die in the process, and some never grow up. So, seems extra legislation won't work.

Maybe better enforcement of the current laws. Well that's a better step, but it's only a band-aid on a spurting artery. Might stem the bloodflow for a minute or two but it won't stop the bleeding.

Build the a purpose built pad and area to hang out? Sounds good, but they will still drive their cars through town on the way there, and on the way back as well. So it might lower the damages caused, but it won't eliminate it completely.

I'm fucked for ideas now? Anyone got a one-stop-fix that I haven't thought of?

[onearmedbandit]

And this is just further evidence of the NZ mentality that killing people with cars just aint that serious.

That's the laws put in place by the government, which is most definitely not the representation of the NZ mentality. Remember the referendum a while back about harsher penalties for serious offenders? Over 90% of the respondents wanted harsher penalties. I'm sure if you asked the average kiwi how they feel about someone being killed by a careless/dangerous driver they would want serious consequences for the driver. When you are in control of a car, you are taking on a massive responsibility. Unfortunately our driver training (lol) and our laws do not see this the same way I do.

[Headbanger]

I'm fucked for ideas now? Anyone got a one-stop-fix that I haven't thought of?

As soon as they rack up fines over $1000 send em to jail for a month, and while they are in there they can do $1000 worth of work. And when they get out they can pay teh $1000 worth of fines.

Repeat until they learn.


And serious repercussions for killing with a car, Something along the lines of a bullet to the head would suffice,and a bullet for their lawyer if they try and blame the road or the car.