Peter Bethune's trial starts Thursday 27 May

[Jonno.]

No I didn't support the French cos they were being protested against for testing nukes in the pacific, and Greenpeace were the greenies (for want of a better name). Are you really that blind that you can't see that action needs to be taken to stop the planet getting rooted. If a few (or a lot) people die for a good cause then so be it, there are quite a few of us to spare.

It's exactly the same. Greenies ram ships and it's fair game and then they get rammed (aka pull infront of a ship 10x their size) and it's tears for Africa.

[firefighter]

Are you really that blind that you can't see that action needs to be taken to stop the planet getting rooted.

Pfffft. Saving fish is the least of our worries.














Yep, whales are the last of our worries......(I do'nt support whaling)


That's the reason I wo'nt ever care about my carbon footprint, because in the end, with shit like this going on, it does'nt really fucken matter what I do.

I recycle where I can, and dispose of chemicals etc properly, but that's about my limit. No battery powered cars for me. (while I have a choice) Becuase in the end, China, U.S.A, India, Russia etc will kill us all anyway.

[Woodman]

Pfffft. Saving fish is the least of our worries.


Yep, whales are the last of our worries......(I do'nt support whaling)


That's the reason I wo'nt ever care about my carbon footprint, because in the end, with shit like this going on, it does'nt really fucken matter what I do.

I recycle where I can, and dispose of chemicals etc properly, but that's about my limit. No battery powered cars for me. (while I have a choice) Becuase in the end, China, U.S.A, India, Russia etc will kill us all anyway.

Totallly agree with you, bt there was a study released recently that proved that saving the planets ecological resources will give the biggest economic benefits.
I think saving the planet would be probarbly the best reason to have a war so far. Religion, land and oil based wars are getting a bit old really

OOPs I think I just accidentally deducted reputation from you. Was supposed to add.

[Pixie]

Are you really that blind that you can't see that action needs to be taken to stop the planet getting rooted. If a few (or a lot) people die for a good cause then so be it, there are quite a few of us to spare.

Fuckin greenies are always bleating about saving the planet.
The planet ain't going nowhere.
If colliding with something the size of Mars didn't destroy it in the early days,do you think a little messiness on the part of a particular transient biological infestation is going to do it?

[shrub]

It saddens me that Pete bethune gets the flack he does. Whether you agree with his motives or not, regardless of how much you hate the evil greenies, regardless of how much you think whaling is a good idea; surely you can respect and even admire a man who is willing to go to jail for what he believes in? Surely you can respect a man who is willing to take on a ship with a boat, who is willing to stand up to the Japanese government and tell them to lay off our oceans?

Or are you so caught up in political correctness and following the crowd that you have lost the ability to back the little guy making a stand?

Pete Bethune, you're a fucking hero mate. You have something that has become very, very rare: balls.

[shrub]

Fuckin greenies are always bleating about saving the planet.
The planet ain't going nowhere.
If colliding with something the size of Mars didn't destroy it in the early days,do you think a little messiness on the part of a particular transient biological infestation is going to do it?

Yes, quite.

Idiot.

[Max Preload]

It saddens me that Pete bethune gets the flack he does. Whether you agree with his motives or not, regardless of how much you hate the evil greenies, regardless of how much you think whaling is a good idea; surely you can respect and even admire a man who is willing to go to jail for what he believes in? Surely you can respect a man who is willing to take on a ship with a boat, who is willing to stand up to the Japanese government and tell them to lay off our oceans?.

Drug dealers believe in, well, drugs. That doesn't mean I should respect them if they go to jail for dealing them, does it?

[shrub]

Drug dealers believe in, well, drugs. That doesn't mean I should respect them if they go to jail for dealing them, does it?

I think your analogy is flawed in that drug dealers aren't engaged in actions that they believe are of benefit to the world. A drug dealer is solely interested in financial benefits and has no regard for the law in the pursuit of that money (much like a Japanese whaler); so a drug dealer doesn't so much believe in drugs as in profit.

On the other hand, Pete Bethune is a courageous New Zealander who is standing up to the Japanese whaling fleets that are happily flouting international law in order to supply wealthy Japanese with whale meat. He has no financial gain beyond no doubt getting supplied with his material needs. But courage is no longer a politically correct behaviour in the modern world, especially when that courage dares to challenge the hegemony of global big business.

I quote WB Yeats:
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity

[imdying]

Surely you can respect and even admire a man who is willing to go to jail for what he believes in?

No, you've mistaken stupidity for having balls. He's fucked himself to achieve nothing. He's rooted his life for a little headline time. Awesome. Now if he'd sunk that boat and killed all on board, you know, actually achieved something of tangible worth, now that I could respect.

[shrub]

No, you've mistaken stupidity for having balls. He's fucked himself to achieve nothing. He's rooted his life for a little headline time. Awesome. Now if he'd sunk that boat and killed all on board, you know, actually achieved something of tangible worth, now that I could respect.

Courage is not dependent on wisdom. Personally I think it was a foolhardy act and was always going to be futile, but it was an act of courage and integrity.

In modern NZ courage is demonstrated as machismo posturing and virulent attacks on "political correctness" (and tax), ignorance and illiteracy are seen as attributes to aspire to, and recognising that the environment is important is seen as weak; so a man who placed himself in very real danger to speak out against the behaviours of a foreign government and who was willing to risk his life for an endangered species is inevitably seen as being a fool.

The brave new world we live in is a flaccid world where the weak and the foolish are ascendant, a world where men like Pete Bethune no longer have a place.

[Max Preload]

I think your analogy is flawed in that drug dealers aren't engaged in actions that they believe are of benefit to the world. A drug dealer is solely interested in financial benefits and has no regard for the law in the pursuit of that money (much like a Japanese whaler); so a drug dealer doesn't so much believe in drugs as in profit.

The only difference between Buffoon and a drug dealer is Buffoon wants notoriety, the drug dealer wants money. Neither of their actions are of benefit to the world.

On the other hand, Pete Bethune is a courageous New Zealander who is standing up to the Japanese whaling fleets that are happily flouting international law in order to supply wealthy Japanese with whale meat. He has no financial gain beyond no doubt getting supplied with his material needs. But courage is no longer a politically correct behaviour in the modern world, especially when that courage dares to challenge the hegemony of global big business.

I don't think he's courageous - I think he's a self-serving cock.

What laws are the Japanese breaking? The answer is none. Where's your proof that they're doing anything just to supply the 'wealthy' with whale meat? Most importantly, when will the anti-whaling fools stop spouting such total bullshit as fact?

What's not PC is saying there's nothing wrong with whaling.

[shrub]

The only difference between Buffoon and a drug dealer is Buffoon wants notoriety, the drug dealer wants money. Neither of their actions are of benefit to the world.



I don't think he's courageous - I think he's a self-serving cock.

What laws are the Japanese breaking? The answer is none. Where's your proof that they're doing anything just to supply the 'wealthy' with whale meat? Most importantly, when will the anti-whaling fools stop spouting such total bullshit as fact?

What's not PC is saying there's nothing wrong with whaling.

Thank you. Unwittingly you have shown exactly what I meant in my last post: "The brave new world we live in is a flaccid world where the weak and the foolish are ascendant, a world where men like Pete Bethune no longer have a place".

[JimO]

if he is prepared to go to prison for his ideals i hope he gets 20 years and that bosscunt from sea shithead should be locked up with him as far as the japs are concerned he is a terrorist lucky for him it aint the chinese he is fucking with

[JimO]

Thank you. Unwittingly you have shown exactly what I meant in my last post: "The brave new world we live in is a flaccid world where the weak and the foolish are ascendant, a world where men like Pete Bethune no longer have a place".

i think you give him to much credit, bethune is a knob who murdered a native fisherman who was trying to feed his family, looks like karma has caught up with him

[shrub]

i think you give him to much credit, bethune is a knob who murdered a native fisherman who was trying to feed his family, looks like karma has caught up with him

I seem to have struck the ignorant tard jackpot today; thank you for helping confirm my hypothesis. I won't waste too much time swatting you, but Bethune was downstairs sleeping when the Earthrace, with the ships engineer at the helm, struck a small unlit fishing boat in a major shipping channel. Hard to call that murder really, probably more a case of Darwinism in action.