Peter Bethune's trial starts Thursday 27 May

[Clockwork]

Which just goes to show that along with Greenpeace they are prepared to lie to further the ends of their cause.....

Which only leaves you wondering what else they are prepared to lie about!!


Their morality seems to have a duality about it.

[Max Preload]

Which just goes to show that along with Greenpeace they are prepared to lie to further the ends of their cause.....

Which only leaves you wondering what else they are prepared to lie about!!


Their morality seems to have a duality about it.

Fuck'n vegans. They're so malnourished they probably forget what they've said and done anyway.

[Genie]

what an absolute load of bullshit. japanese justice system is flawed. I really thought they'd throw the book at him and now sea shepard admits their bullshit in getting him off. bullshit ... crap. lock the bastard up. yeah, i get the defend the whale population thing but ffs....this is such bullshit

[puddytat]

Which just goes to show that along with Greenpeace they are prepared to lie to further the ends of their cause.....

Which only leaves you wondering what else they are prepared to lie about!!


Their morality seems to have a duality about it.

Very similar to the politicians with whom they are dealing with.....

Well done Pete Bethune. And well done Sea Shepard & Greenpeace.
Looking fwd to the result of the Marine investigation....

[Woodman]

With ya there puddytat. Good on him for taking a stand.

All power to sea shepherd and greenpeace , long may they continue the good work.

All the gummints do is compromise for fear of losing trade deals etc. Its bullshit

Now they should start ramming the fishing boats that are out plundering the Antarctic toothfish population.

[shrub]

With ya there puddytat. Good on him for taking a stand.

All power to sea shepherd and greenpeace , long may they continue the good work.

All the gummints do is compromise for fear of losing trade deals etc. Its bullshit

Now they should start ramming the fishing boats that are out plundering the Antarctic toothfish population.

And good on Pete Bethune for being something that is unpopular in this sad, PC world: a man of principle willing to take personal risk to stand up for what he believes in, even if it is against the Japanese gubbermint (am I the only one who finds it strange that when one man stands up to a government's corrupt activities it's bad, yet everyone whines about how bad governments are?).

here's to Pete Bethune, a true Kiwi hero and 10 points for pissing off all the whining, weak PC twats on this site. Given me a big laugh.

[Max Preload]

For me a pre-requisite for admiring someone standing up for what they believe in is that it has some merit. Buffoon's cause doesn't. It's just emotive tripe. It's time people faced economic realities.

[shrub]

It's time people faced economic realities.

So what you're saying is that allowing the Japanese to harvest whale meat has financial benefits for you and I? I would suggest that given the extent of whale watching in NZ we make a brazillian times more money from whales being alive than we do from Mr Yamagochi enjoying his whale sushi.

And then there is the troubling issue of morality: The Japanese aren't legally allowed to engage in commercial whaling in the Southern Whale Sanctuary, so they pretend to be conducting scientific research with a huge fleet of vessels killing hundreds of whales, which mostly end up for sale in Japan. Scientific research? yeah, right.

Maybe I'm being a little simplistic, but to me that is dishonest and deceptive. Do you admire that kind of behaviour? Or were you unaware of it?

[imdying]

Yup, too wrongs totally make a right.

[shrub]

Yup, too wrongs totally make a right.

So what were the two wrongs? The Japanese illegal whaling activities and them ramming the Adi Gill?

[Swoop]

Now they should start ramming the fishing boats that are out plundering the Antarctic toothfish population.

In what way should "plunder" be described?
CCAMLR appear to be managing this fishery in a workable manner.

[imdying]

Japan's legal whaling activities and being rammed by the Adi Gill?

Fixed that for you.

By your logic, the JDF should escort their vessels and sink anything that comes too close.

[shrub]

Fixed that for you.

By your logic, the JDF should escort their vessels and sink anything that comes too close.

Ah. The old "I can't argue against you, so I'll change what you said' trick. Kind of admitting defeat in my books, but then I guess you're good at that.

But let's explore your position. If the IWC (which are the internationally recognised regulatory body) have passed a resolution banning commercial whaling in the Southern Whale Sanctuary and Japan engages in commercial whaling, how is that legal?

And I'm curious, why has the Japanese gubbermint suddenly become the hero and why are their illegal activities the best thing ever? Or is it just the typical weak "hide behind the establishment" PC nonsense I see here so often? Or the pathological commitment to take a contrary position against anything or anyone with the slightest hint of greenness taken by people who can't base their ideology on anything other than prejudice.

[cromagnon]

Fixed that for you.

By your logic, the JDF should escort their vessels and sink anything that comes too close.

Explain to me how a stationary boat can ram another boat....

http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=f-Ffr7Nk2DE

[imdying]

Ah. The old "I can't argue against you, so I'll change what you said' trick. Kind of admitting defeat in my books, but then I guess you're good at that.

No, I'm not French

But let's explore your position. If the IWC (which are the internationally recognised regulatory body) have passed a resolution banning commercial whaling in the Southern Whale Sanctuary and Japan engages in commercial whaling, how is that legal?

No they don't, although they do process some of their excess from research rather than dumping it... next...

And I'm curious, why has the Japanese gubbermint suddenly become the hero and why are their illegal activities the best thing ever? Or is it just the typical weak "hide behind the establishment" PC nonsense I see here so often? Or the pathological commitment to take a contrary position against anything or anyone with the slightest hint of greenness taken by people who can't base their ideology on anything other than prejudice.

I guess it's the natural tendency to despise terrorism that most people possess.

Explain to me how a stationary boat can ram another boat....

You supplied the link, so I assume we're watching the same video? All I saw was a pirate ship getting in the way of another ocean going vessel that was in heavy seas and made no appreciable change in course Not sure why they would want to place themselves in the path of such a large vessel, but clearly they're not the smartest out on that ocean.