MNZ AGM, anyone got any news?

[codgyoleracer]

Bruce was more consistent yes. Bruce is a good friend of mine, always has been. Simon an aquaintance. And correct, nothing else to prove.

Speaking of titles...when are you gonna shake up some folks in a different class? Bout time you left F3 so some other cunt can win it!!!

Speaking of titles - you make a strong point

[gixerracer]

C this is my point no way will any of these people go and race a 250 in f3 y the hell would they?
My whole point has been the bikes just arent that easy to go very fast on and any body that would be good enough will be in the 600cc or supers so it isnt a bad idea to get more people out there racing as there must b a swag of old 250s in garages lying around.
Maybe mr crasher can make a come back and show me how easy it is to go fast on one?

Hamish Laing,
He used to make that 250 fly.

Glen Skachill if he was to race one in F3 would win I am positive of it he is a extremly talented rider and learns bikes fast.

Shaun Harris I bet he could make one fly

Even yourself I bet you would be able to make one fly around the circuit

[Mishy]

Here ya go then mate! A brand new in crate 2007 RS250! Having ridden an RS250...I can assure you you really do want one!

Agreed - there's just nothing else quite like them !

[lostinflyz]

C this is my point no way will any of these people go and race a 250 in f3 y the hell would they?
My whole point has been the bikes just arent that easy to go very fast on and any body that would be good enough will be in the 600cc or supers so it isnt a bad idea to get more people out there racing as there must b a swag of old 250s in garages lying around.
Maybe mr crasher can make a come back and show me how easy it is to go fast on one?

ok ive been quiet long enough....

If 250's were in what would be the point in having any other bike. Even if glen/terry/jason stay there asis you would basically have to have a 250 coming through to have a shot at doing ok against anyone else that might have one, or rely on your significant skill advantage (or their lack of). its be like trying to run a 400 against an SV now, it just dont work.

and that being said the few 250's that are rocking about in sheds, most would need a fair bit of coin laid on them to have them ready to face 5 rounds of nationals (plus lead up rounds).

as someone attempting to build a full spec (i hope) f3 bike as we speak, not to win but to compete at least, i'd be pretty gutted to learn something far lighter with more power (and a chassis far superior to anything else) had suddenly been magically added in, that would make my time and money worth a lot less than when i started.

They may not be easy to go fast on, but as some are saying, if you can be within 2-3 seconds of current nationals pace on glen/terry/jasons , you would be about on for setting the f3 lap record as it stand.

[Mishy]

C this is my point no way will any of these people go and race a 250 in f3 y the hell would they?
My whole point has been the bikes just arent that easy to go very fast on and any body that would be good enough will be in the 600cc or supers so it isnt a bad idea to get more people out there racing as there must b a swag of old 250s in garages lying around.
Maybe mr crasher can make a come back and show me how easy it is to go fast on one?

Mostly, all the guys that have experience tuning these things are old and fat (like me) and don't ride much now !
Speaking from experience, these things are awesome when you are really on it, and the set up is right, but it's certainly not that easy to get the best out of them as a rider or tech.

[Billy]

Dunno mate...but I know they (they being one of the Aoki bros) did min 10's, maybe min 9's during the Pan Pacific series waaay back when!
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Yip,Sadanora Hikita was the man that weekend,Qualified in the High 9s and won the Pan Pacific races at a canter in the very low 10s,Followed by aoki and Stephen Whitehouse also comfortably in the 10s as was Shaun Harris in the F2 support races and a host of riders were in the very low 11s,But remember it was a Pan Pacific championship round and the machinery and riders were of a far higher calibre than we normally see,As pointed out,It takes a very good rider too punt a 250GP machine at any sort of pace and anybody doing around the 1.18 mark at Manfeild on a production based 250 will struggle too get under 15s on a GP machine and SO WHAT if somebody spends $30k on a Gp 250 for F3,H ow does that differ from whats already being spent by the front runners in the class ????

[woodyracer]

dont worry guys, the minute 250gp's start kicking ass in F3 { or now as its called"Sportbike" lol} the amount of bitching will lead to them probualy being put in F2.....

Whats with this tire stuff?, im lost to hell

[slowpoke]

Super pole!!

Hate the idea, it's going to make for a long day, especially as they run out of time now

Yeah agree, waste of time and will be boring for everyone. Most of the tracks have terrible sound systems so you can't hear the commentary properly. Secondly they have no intermediate timing beacons so you have no idea if the rider is doing any good till he crosses the line.

Nah, I don't reckon it's so bad. If they did it right they could even save time. I'm guessing they will only run it for Superbikes? They could just run the normal first practice session(s) and instead of the 20min qualifying session run Superpole. Have the next rider start their lap as the previous bloke is half way round and it could easily be accomplished in 20 min's at even our longest track with the current entry numbers..

With running 3 x shorter races qualifying will be more important and I can see it generating a real buzz.

Even allowing for shit P/A systems and the spectators not necessarily being fully aware of the proceedings I can see a couple of benefits: it might encourage more competitors to have a go (something different) and competitors will have a chance to showcase their sponsors in isolation.

If nothing else it's something a lil' different and worth trying.....but I'd use a club/test day or two to trial/fine tune it first. Better than doing more of the same which just isn't working.

250's in F3? Different bikes on the grid has to be good and much better than the mostly 650 twins out there now. Take Glenn's and Jason's bikes out of the field and it's a pretty boring line up for what is a supposed Formula class. Ozzy's 450's generated a nice bit of interest and 250GP bikes could do the same again. If a decent rider/bike combo springs up and smokes everyone then just fit restrictors. Having a GP250 and being able to use it are 2 different things.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Maybe mr crasher can make a come back and show me how easy it is to go fast on one?

Don't recall saying they were easy to ride? But sure...get someone to supply me the bike and I'm sure I'll be able to get back in the groove.

May've been years since I raced...but that's never stopped me before.

[Kickaha]

dont worry guys, the minute 250gp's start kicking ass in F3 { or now as its called"Sportbike" lol} the amount of bitching will lead to them probualy being put in F2.....

Weren't 125GP removed from F3 because of the bitching about them?

[k14]

Yip,Sadanora Hikita was the man that weekend,Qualified in the High 9s and won the Pan Pacific races at a canter in the very low 10s,Followed by aoki and Stephen Whitehouse also comfortably in the 10s as was Shaun Harris in the F2 support races and a host of riders were in the very low 11s,But remember it was a Pan Pacific championship round and the machinery and riders were of a far higher calibre than we normally see,As pointed out,It takes a very good rider too punt a 250GP machine at any sort of pace and anybody doing around the 1.18 mark at Manfeild on a production based 250 will struggle too get under 15s on a GP machine and SO WHAT if somebody spends $30k on a Gp 250 for F3,H ow does that differ from whats already being spent by the front runners in the class ????

Someone spending 30k on a 250 wouldn't even need to be a good rider to win. It's the fact that someone could spend 10k and run at the front. Anyone with any experience on 125's "should" be able to step up. Looking at this years nationals the 125's were pretty close to the F3 guys on most circuits. Teretonga was the biggest difference in favor of F3 and ruapuna qualifying (all races were wet) the 125 pole time was over a second faster than F3 pole. On this evidence the 125's have a case to be included in F3, allowing the 250's would be opening the class up for major domination.

Weren't 125GP removed from F3 because of the bitching about them?

I think so, the story I was told was that after Steve Ward won both 125 and F3 title in the same year there was some fairly unhappy people in F3 so they got removed.

[Shaun]

Manfeild F3 lap record was set in 2009 at a 1:12.0 and the fastest time I ever managed on a 250GP bike was 1:12.8 as a noob so it would be easily capable of doing 1:10s I would have thought on a "NZ spec" 250. Manfeild is not a track that is favorable for 250GP bikes, the difference would be even greater at other tracks. Does anyone know what the lap record was on a 250GP bike around Manfeild?

You could do 10'z around there easy mate, I did that in Pan pacific series years ago

Bruce Anstey FAST FAST

Simon Turner- enough said already

[jellywrestler]

Never come up against Ant. He started racing 250 proddies when I finished, and I started racing 883's when he'd finished! But did he actually ride a GP bike?

He raced an RS250 and was the only one who was able to get in front of Anstey when he was on fire circa 1993

[prettybillie]

..... have had 4 Clubs express interest. Dates to be decided and number of rounds should be decided within a month. Order of rounds and time of year may not be the usual......

Does anyone know who these clubs are?????

[Crasherfromwayback]

He raced an RS250 and was the only one who was able to get in front of Anstey when he was on fire circa 1993

That's impressive!