250 gp bikes for f3

**slowpoke** · 4th June 2010, 23:54

Originally Posted by crazy man

l remember dennis charlotte racing a 92 rs 250 in the vic winter serious went out and did 11.5 to 1.12 at manfeild and dicked all the 600s at the time only took the bike out for a play. tires are a lot better 6 years down the track and would go faster now!

Originally Posted by Yow Ling

Everything is better now except 92 rs250's , 600s are way faster.

Haha, too true and well stated.

**crazy man** · 5th June 2010, 19:06

what lm saying is the lap record is 1.12 for f3 at manfeild and let a good rider can hope on a rs for a play and do that like years ago!

**Billy** · 5th June 2010, 19:46

Originally Posted by crazy man

hotted up 250 prody bikes would be a good start. as l remember in the first 2 hour race at manfeild 2 tz 250s come home first and sec . bet the 1000s!

The first all in 2 hour race at Manfeild was held November 1994 Organised by myself and Mike Perrin,Run by Yak Knight on the day,Won by John Hepburn on a GSXR1100 with no brakes for the last 4 laps.Also,If Sadanora Hikita came here and rode Glens SV,Id bet hed be in the 10s or lower as well,Such was the calibre of the man,2nd that year in the All Japan 250gp championship and went to wildcard rides in the World championship and his bike was no out of the crate production RS either.Brilliant idea,Bring it on

**crazy man** · 6th June 2010, 15:05

the tzs must of come home sec and third then. me last on my kr250 lol

**GSVR** · 7th June 2010, 07:53

Been thinking a bit about this and if the 250GP bikes are are quick as some are saying then its only fair to let the four stroke twins out to 750.

That way 750 twins that aren't that competitive in F2 can race in with the F3 bikes as they would be slower than 250GP bikes right? And also let the old 900 two valve air cooled in as wel(already been done before at some clubs)

What sort of laptimes does Nick Prestige do on his 749?

**codgyoleracer** · 7th June 2010, 09:04

Originally Posted by Billy

The first all in 2 hour race at Manfeild was held November 1994 Organised by myself and Mike Perrin,Run by Yak Knight on the day,Won by John Hepburn on a GSXR1100 with no brakes for the last 4 laps.Also,If Sadanora Hikita came here and rode Glens SV,Id bet hed be in the 10s or lower as well,Such was the calibre of the man,2nd that year in the All Japan 250gp championship and went to wildcard rides in the World championship and his bike was no out of the crate production RS either.Brilliant idea,Bring it on

If he could do that on the SVR (which i dont doubt) -then I hate to think what he could do on a 250GP bike then......................

**lostinflyz** · 7th June 2010, 09:28

Originally Posted by GSVR

Been thinking a bit about this and if the 250GP bikes are are quick as some are saying then its only fair to let the four stroke twins out to 750.

That way 750 twins that aren't that competitive in F2 can race in with the F3 bikes as they would be slower than 250GP bikes right? And also let the old 900 two valve air cooled in as wel(already been done before at some clubs)

What sort of laptimes does Nick Prestige do on his 749?

jesus, 250gp bikes vs 750 twins(non air cooled), thats not f3 thats a new class! everything in f3 at the moment would be irrelavent

**codgyoleracer** · 7th June 2010, 11:52

749R and a 250 GP bike are probably pretty well matched , so i suppose if ones in then why not the other ?. Now how do i shoehorn that Duke mota into that frame.......... :-)

**satchriossi** · 7th June 2010, 12:27

True; water cooled <750 twins would fit (to my mind) in F2, among the 600/4s, which as we've established, can be beaten by a 250GP bike with Sketchy on board. Therefore if we're letting 250GP bikes into F3 (which have the shear peformance to win F2), then why not let a Ducati 749 in?

Water cooled 750 twins vs water cooled 650 twins is blatantly not fair - particularly when you consider that the Ducati 749 is a supersports machine, whereas the SV Suzuki is a middle weight sports bike with a much more 'street biased' chassis and engine. As we've said, the 250 is way to fast for the class too - but as with all things in club level, it very much depends on who's riding it. Sketchy can win F2 on a GP250 whereas i couldn't win clubmans on one... The same would apply for a 749 Ducati.

You'd have to introduce a clubmans style laptime cut-off thing that let people race these high spec machines in F3, so long as their laptimes stayed beneath a pre-determined threshold.

**scracha** · 7th June 2010, 16:43

Over-night they'll render most of the existing field uncompetitive for what.....a dead end technology. I wouldn't mind so much if they were changing the rules to bring in NEW and relevant bikes (a bit like they did when brining in SV650's) but this is just bloody stupid. 2 strokes are dead. Race the 250 GP's in F2 or if they're older, race them in posties, open twins or whatever.

**quickbuck** · 7th June 2010, 23:26

Originally Posted by scracha

Over-night they'll render most of the existing field uncompetitive for what.....a dead end technology. I wouldn't mind so much if they were changing the rules to bring in NEW and relevant bikes (a bit like they did when brining in SV650's) but this is just bloody stupid. 2 strokes are dead. Race the 250 GP's in F2 or if they're older, race them in posties, open twins or whatever.

I'm tending to agree with you there scracha.
In fact, how many more years do we have to wait until a pre 1995 class could be invented.... Then all the (not quite so) old smokers could run in that.
Then we could run the SuperSport (F2) CBR's.... Hell, they even have all the names to race.