It's official - there are some heinous drivers out there

[Flip]

Is that so? I've driven about 20,000km in total in cages and I've caused 3 crashes, and I've done about 15,000km in total on bikes without incident. Therefore, bikes are safer than cages as a bike has less surface area than a cage in which it can hit an object.

Can you let us know what sort of car you drive so we can keep away from you, please?

I have driven about a million miles and have never had an accident. I have ridden about 1/3 million miles and fell off in gravel in 86 and was knocked off the Harley in town last year (the driver was charged with careless causing).

I live out of town near Christchurch and every day I have to avoid some complete fucking wanker driving on the wrong side of the road. They are usually late middle aged men driving 4WD vehicles taking racing lines. there are some terrible drivers out there and whats worse they are practiced bad drivers.

[Katman]

I did read it. I note the word 'learning' in there. Which is indicative of making mistakes until one gets it right...
Your point, again?

Learning doesn't have to mean making mistakes.

[MSTRS:Me]

The stats say otherwise....
Young riders and returning riders are the standout features.

[sinfull]

Learning doesn't have to mean making mistakes.

The stats say otherwise....
Young riders and returning riders are the standout features.

Have to agree with KM statement though John the stats say Motorcyclists need to have more defencive training or a FAR harder licencing test !
Mistakes is whats costing young and old riders lives, there own and not recognising other drivers mistakes, before it's too late and they wear the consequences !

[MSTRS:Me]

I'm not disagreeing, though. Just clarifying the point that no-one gets good at defensive riding without practice. Practise is learning.
Learning means getting things wrong, as in making mistakes. As we all know, mistakes on motorcycles can be very unforgiving. Much more so than making a similar mistake in a car.
Hence, to an extent, why we show so highly in the accident stats.

[T.W.R]

Is that so? I've driven about 20,000km in total in cages and I've caused 3 crashes, and I've done about 15,000km in total on bikes without incident. Therefore, bikes are safer than cages as a bike has less surface area than a cage in which it can hit an object.

That's scary causing 3 accidents on a average of every 6666.67kms

Yeah, cos we're all angels.

Righteous crusader it'll continue in the after life

[Flip]

Righteous crusader it'll continue in the after life

I hope thats not a HONDA step through.

[Katman]

Hence, to an extent, why we show so highly in the accident stats.

We feature so highly in the accident stats because we all too often fail to learn from our own mistakes as well as the mistakes of others.

How many times do we need to see something go wrong before it sinks in?

[MSTRS:Me]

Now, that I can agree with....

[shrub]

If that were truly the case our accident stats would read completely differently.

Have you read Charley Lamb's research? i think you'll find that the data supports my argument.

[Katman]

Have you read Charley Lamb's research? i think you'll find that the data supports my argument.

Yes, I've read it.

I've also expressed my opinion of it.

[shrub]

We feature so highly in the accident stats because we all too often fail to learn from our own mistakes as well as the mistakes of others.

How many times do we need to see something go wrong before it sinks in?

In Charley's research the mode for bike capacity was 250cc - starter for 10: Who rides 250cc motorcycles? The researchh conducted both here and overseas shows a significant negative correlation between accident rate and experience - something we all know intuitively, so you're wrong; we are learning.

[shrub]

Yes, I've read it.

I've also expressed my opinion of it.

And what is your opinion?

[Katman]

And what is your opinion?

My opinion is that Professor Lamb thinks more of staying onside with motorcyclists than he does of his professorial integrity.

[Grubber]

It's a matter of how many dorks ride and drive is the problem.I am no saint on my bike but i do tend to be very selective as to where i play up. My feeling is that there is plenty of idiots riding, as there is driving, but i do tend to think that there is a slightly higher percentage that ride bikes and i think that is just the nature of the beast in many ways. It's just a bigger buzz to ride than drive. My 2c worth. None of us are perfect enough to judge others me thinks.