Competitive F3 bike set-up costs?

[neil_cb125t]

If you want to get a cheapish competitive F3 bike I think a 450 is the way to go at the moment. They are fast enough in a straight line and have supersport handling.

If you want to race in pro-twins and still do well at club level F3 then get a 650, but to make a 650 competitve in F3 at National level will take big $$$ and effort.

shame no one wants to see someone get into a real F3 bike......ZXR400 - beats pro twins everynow and then... current VMCC long track record holder... and that was only the first time id been on it for 2 years.. a whole second faster than some nats pro twin champ.... geoff someone???? hehehe

Anything that you take to nats needs BIG money spent on it - i still haven't spen the same as a pro twin bike YET on mine...... i will have after the next bill come in as i rebuild it from scartch for the first time for nats.

simply put if you are new to racing F3 or pro twin are the way to go to get into it, if you have 10k and like tractor sounding things then pro twin is for you - or 3-4k will get you a 400setup and good to go. good place to start - easily sellable when or if you want to upgrade.... to what ever.

[codgyoleracer]

If this threads original thread question can be interpreted as " whats the cheapest way to build a national title winning F3 bike " , then ..........., as of current date

Cheapest: Ozzy450 Triple
Next cheapest: A cranked/striked 600/450
Next cheapest: 400/4 (450) on steroids
Next cheapest: RS250GP bike (if allowed)
Modified 250 2stroke production bike
Next cheapest: Modified SV
Next cheapest: Some sort of hybrid eng/frame combo

Now before you all jump up and down and try to reorganise the order above, keep in mind the question , and also that the base bike must be able to win a national series title & require modofications made to it so that it can beat all of the other bikes on the list.

If the question then is , which one will be fastest from the list above , then the 250 GP bike is a no brainer.

[quickbuck]

If this threads original thread question can be interpreted as " whats the cheapest way to build a national title winning F3 bike " , then ..........., as of current date

Cheapest: Ozzy450 Triple
Next cheapest: A cranked/striked 600/450
Next cheapest: 400/4 (450) on steroids
Next cheapest: RS250 (if allowed)
Modified 250 2stroke production bike
Next cheapest: Modified SV
Next cheapest: Some sort of hybrid eng/frame combo

Now before you all jump up and down and try to reorganise the order above, keep in mind the question , and also that the base bike must be able to win a national series title & require modofications made to it sio that it can beat all of the other bikes on the list.

If the question then is , which one will be fastest from the list above , then the 250 GP bike is a no brainer.

All assuming the rider is actually capable of and consistent enough to ride at National Level....
But that is a whole different question that one has to find out I guess.

[neil_cb125t]

If this threads original thread question can be interpreted as " whats the cheapest way to build a national title winning F3 bike " , then ..........., as of current date

Cheapest: Ozzy450 Triple
Next cheapest: A cranked/striked 600/450
Next cheapest: 400/4 (450) on steroids
Next cheapest: RS250 (if allowed)
Modified 250 2stroke production bike
Next cheapest: Modified SV
Next cheapest: Some sort of hybrid eng/frame combo

Now before you all jump up and down and try to reorganise the order above, keep in mind the question , and also that the base bike must be able to win a national series title & require modofications made to it sio that it can beat all of the other bikes on the list.

If the question then is , which one will be fastest from the list above , then the 250 GP bike is a no brainer.

Prob best person to listen to on this one - Glen may have some experience on the matter.....

[codgyoleracer]

All assuming the rider is actually capable of and consistent enough to ride at National Level....
But that is a whole different question that one has to find out I guess.

Agreed.
lets assume that a rider 'Joe Bloggs" is a capable fella/girl , and has the potential to win national title races in a number of classes on the right day , and can run at close to lap rec pace when pushed. So it ssafe to assume that "Joe" has plenty of experience.

So we line up all of the above list of machines in front of "Joe "

- Which one would he/she pick , as the bike that over a full series will most likely provide them with a title, given that they are all theoretically capable of winning ?

heres a clue, one stands out like a clydesdales balls on a chihuahua

[quickbuck]

heres a clue, one stands out like a clydesdales balls on a chihuahua

Hmmm, if I was as good as Joe Bloggs, I would go for the RS250 (if allowed)...

reason: It was designed for the track in the first place. There was no compromise build in for: Road, Mass Markets, Extended Service intervals... and the list goes on, but I think i have made enough points.

All the rest are Road bikes that have been tinkered with to varying degrees.

Do i get a chocolate fish? Or, a re-alignment of thoughts?

EDIT (3 Hours later): Just read the thread about the proposed rule changes..... so I see where you are comming from Glen.

[Billy]

Agreed.
lets assume that a rider 'Joe Bloggs" is a capable fella/girl , and has the potential to win national title races in a number of classes on the right day , and can run at close to lap rec pace when pushed. So it ssafe to assume that "Joe" has plenty of experience.

So we line up all of the above list of machines in front of "Joe "

- Which one would he/she pick , as the bike that over a full series will most likely provide them with a title, given that they are all theoretically capable of winning ?

heres a clue, one stands out like a clydesdales balls on a chihuahua

Aaaaah!But what if your Chihuahua and his horselike testies had a minimum weight restriction of 125kgs as I have suggested!!!

What then??and how do you know how big a Clydesdales balls are you PERVERT

[codgyoleracer]

Aaaaah!But what if your Chihuahua and his horselike testies had a minimum weight restriction of 125kgs as I have suggested!!!

What then??and how do you know how big a Clydesdales balls are you PERVERT

You trying to tell me you dont look when horses drop there fith leg put Billy ......... :-)

[RG Racer 123]

Hi there. I have a 2002 SV 650 Pro Twin, it is a waste of top in pro twin because it is the carbed model SV and is alot slower than a fuel injected model. I also have a 2007 SV 650 which i am turning into a Pro Twin. Being fuel injected it comes standard alot quicker than the carbed model, and then there is more you can do to a fuel injected model i.e power commander. I will be building this to the highest spec for Pro-Twin. I also have a 2007 Yamaha R6 done 2000km which i am currentley having turned into a 450 F3 bike.
After the conversion the R6/450 will owe me $7500 including buying the bike and i can race it and be competitve in F3. The top spec Protwin when finished will owe me $12000+ .
if you are wanting to be competitve in F3 i would recomend the 450, comes from the factory as almost a race bike. An SV is just a commuting bike. to make an SV handle like a 600/450 you would need to build a custom frame like Glen Williams, something i don't think all of us can afford

[quickbuck]

An SV is just a commuting bike. to make an SV handle like a 600/450 you would need to build a custom frame like Glen Williams, something i don't think all of us can afford

That would be why he put it at #7, and last on his own list....

[Mental Trousers]

My 450 cost me less than $4000 (not counting the beer that went into building the motor) with a pile of spares, including a spare petrol tank. I have no idea if it's competitive or not in F3 as I've never raced in that class, but I can tell you that I'll be saving a truck load of cash because the brakes are already fantastic (braided lines are standard), I haven't needed to do anything to the suspension (switching to full Ohlins would get better tyre life but the Kayaba front and rear tweaked are easily up to the job) etc. It's definitely a cheap way to get on track (provided you know someone who isn't a numb nuts when it comes to bolting engines together).