Fuel storage at Manfeild

[Nicksta]

I got the email too and am writing a few questions to Steve at Manfield.... i guess this new ruling was made with cars in mind.. where its one competitor per garage... not like us who fit on average 3-6 competitors per garage, each with a 20L gas can i suspect. I also wonder if they consider the new sheds and doubles as 2 garages? I can understand 20L max per old garage, but the doubles could have double the amount of gas? I wonder also if the rule applies to gas stored in the garage itself, not including the support vans/trailers/cars outside? gosh soo much to think about on a long weekend!

[wharfy]

might start running the van on 98 - then just syphon ten litres at a time into my small fuel container ?

[schrodingers cat]

THe story with cars is no more than one 20l fule churn PER car in the garage at a time. Don't sit them all tidily together as that rather defeats the purpose.

What you keep in your van/trailer is up to you but best to plan on buying the fuel locally as to travel with lots o litres of fuel in multiple fuel churns is a big no-no.
Obviously not a priority for policing in the way that exceeding the posted speed limit by 4km/h but it does attract heafty fines

[roogazza]

You sneeky bugger , we used the Awahiri pub cause the Feilding one had already made an "arrangment " lol.

Bugger me, you'll remember those dry old stalls with dirt floor made in about WW2 with dry hay all around ? Everyone smoking (cos it was compulsary) petrol everywhere with carbs being jetted ! How did we ever survive ? I can't recall any fires either. Gaz

[roadracingoldfart]

Bugger me, you'll remember those dry old stalls with dirt floor made in about WW2 with dry hay all around ? Everyone smoking (cos it was compulsary) petrol everywhere with carbs being jetted ! How did we ever survive ? I can't recall any fires either. Gaz

Hell Gazza , no disrespect to the presant crop of racers but i bet they would never believe the conditions we had to endure in the pits .
I remember having to put wood under the stand to stop the bike sinking in the dirt , standard pit tool was a rake to clean the horse shit away , if you didnt have a torch you could loose all sorts on the floor lol. The back stalls were my fave ( by the potty block) cause you could always have a chat th guys in the potty cue from your dirt box lol.
I remember a couple of fires but most of those were hay fires started after leaning a bike over to fix an oil leak or whatever , Ahhhh the good old days . When racers were tuff , and fancy stuff like warmers were the hotty you stuffed down your leathersa on a cold winter series day.

Paul.

[quickbuck]

Okay,
Back to the Rules thing.... IF each garage has to have 2 x 4.5kg fire extinguishers compulsory, then why aren't they provided with the garage?
Obviously rents might well go up a little, but it is better than forking out for two bottles to only be sat there in the garage at home for most of the time..

Wouldn't it be better that said bottles remain at the track??

Also, when was the last time Joe motorcycle racer got his fire extinguisher serviced?
Might be "just another one of this things I forgot about".

Would be better for the Circuit to get a contractor to come and inspect them all at the same time!
Obviously any that are used... Well, I guess insurance will pay for a new one....??? Hate to make that user pays...

[xr-rider]

Hell Gazza , no disrespect to the presant crop of racers but i bet they would never believe the conditions we had to endure in the pits .
I remember having to put wood under the stand to stop the bike sinking in the dirt , standard pit tool was a rake to clean the horse shit away , if you didnt have a torch you could loose all sorts on the floor lol. The back stalls were my fave ( by the potty block) cause you could always have a chat th guys in the potty cue from your dirt box lol.
I remember a couple of fires but most of those were hay fires started after leaning a bike over to fix an oil leak or whatever , Ahhhh the good old days . When racers were tuff , and fancy stuff like warmers were the hotty you stuffed down your leathersa on a cold winter series day.

Paul.

What year was that photo taken paul?

[steveyb]

I made an error in my earlier post about extinguishers.
This from Manfeild Ops manager:

2.4…our current Pit Lane garage management plan which is posted on every wall in those garages requires competitors to have a 9L Foam and a 9kg Dry Powder…this is an insurance requirement over an above the Policy, but yes the policy insists EVERY competitor whether Bikes or Cars has a an extinguisher. We will not supply them in the garages as they will get taken. We will supply and have always had extinguishers in Pit Lane for test days whether cars or bikes.

Not 4.5kg as I thought, but 9kg and 9L.

No specific mention of other garages requirements, but given that the risks of losing the pitlane building are greater than the old garages and stalls, I would think that they are minimal in comparison.

The reason they state that extinguishers are not provided is that they would go walkabout.
I would have thought that it would be an OHS and building code requirement for the owner of the building to provide fire fighting equipment to protect its buildings and also to protect its staff. If there is a fire and the user of the building is not there (e.g. they are on their own and out on track) what happens then?
If a neighbouring user gets involved and makes it worse, do they become liable?
If the track staff turn up and cannot find the extinguisher, or it doesn't work, what then?
Our common practice of having a small 1.5kg extinguisher lying on the floor somewhere in the garage and who knows where, is clearly inadequate.
Go on, those of you with multiple users in one garage, who provides it and who tells everyone where it is and then who tells anyone how to use it?
Different fires need different treatment techniques.

These extinguishers need to be mounted somewhere in a safe place where everyone in the garage and all those entering it can find it.

He won't thank me for saying it, but we do have at least one senior firefighter on site at almost all our race meetings.
He can be found head down and bum up under the Celtic Leathers awning.

Can - o - worms in my book.

[Shaun]

I made an error in my earlier post about extinguishers.
This from Manfeild Ops manager:

2.4…our current Pit Lane garage management plan which is posted on every wall in those garages requires competitors to have a 9L Foam and a 9kg Dry Powder…this is an insurance requirement over an above the Policy, but yes the policy insists EVERY competitor whether Bikes or Cars has a an extinguisher. We will not supply them in the garages as they will get taken. We will supply and have always had extinguishers in Pit Lane for test days whether cars or bikes.

Not 4.5kg as I thought, but 9kg and 9L.

No specific mention of other garages requirements, but given that the risks of losing the pitlane building are greater than the old garages and stalls, I would think that they are minimal in comparison.

The reason they state that extinguishers are not provided is that they would go walkabout.
I would have thought that it would be an OHS and building code requirement for the owner of the building to provide fire fighting equipment to protect its buildings and also to protect its staff. If there is a fire and the user of the building is not there (e.g. they are on their own and out on track) what happens then?
If a neighbouring user gets involved and makes it worse, do they become liable?
If the track staff turn up and cannot find the extinguisher, or it doesn't work, what then?
Our common practice of having a small 1.5kg extinguisher lying on the floor somewhere in the garage and who knows where, is clearly inadequate.
Go on, those of you with multiple users in one garage, who provides it and who tells everyone where it is and then who tells anyone how to use it?
Different fires need different treatment techniques.

These extinguishers need to be mounted somewhere in a safe place where everyone in the garage and all those entering it can find it.

He won't thank me for saying it, but we do have at least one senior firefighter on site at almost all our race meetings.
He can be found head down and bum up under the Celtic Leathers awning.

Can - o - worms in my book.

I believe, that you CANNOT legaly hire anything out, if it itself is NOT legal? So how can any track company hire out sheds with out Fire Exti in them if that makes them NOT legal

[CHOPPA]

At $200 a day you would think they could supply them...

[schrodingers cat]

Pay a bond and get them with the garage key. Therefore key holder takes responsibility for keeping track of them.

Don't you love the ripples of bureaucracy?

[roadracingoldfart]

What year was that photo taken paul?

That was about 2002 - 2003 Jeff. Before it looked pretty lol.

Pay and bond and get them with the garage key. Therefore key holder takes responsibility for keeping track of them.

Don't you love the ripples of bureaucracy?

OMG , i agree with him He will never believe im serious.
I like the bond and rental agreement part , but i dont like to think of the cost of the increase from manfield for the garage rental.

Paul.

[roadracingoldfart]

The reason they state that extinguishers are not provided is that they would go walkabout.
I would have thought that it would be an OHS and building code requirement for the owner of the building to provide fire fighting equipment to protect its buildings and also to protect its staff. If there is a fire and the user of the building is not there (e.g. they are on their own and out on track) what happens then?

I have never looked up in the pit lane garages Steve , is there a sprinkler system fitted in them ???

Paul.

[Tony.OK]

So the fuel reg is no biggie........just leave ya fuel in the trailer or outside(hopefully it won't get pinched). I thought the rules didn't allow refuelling inside the garages anyway?

Is this extinguisher thing just for the pit lane sheds or all of them? Can't see alot of folks rushing out to spend hundreds on extinguishers, might be easier to buy a decent tent?

[Sidewinder]

thats why ya take it home with ya and full up on the way to the track duh!