Proposed Road Race rule changes

[nearly nitro]

i think it might as well be f1 get it over and done with let people run whatever they can afford we need rules that will let more bikes race/make them better .who cares if a noddy turn's up with a trick bike in whatever class they have still got to be able to ride it well factory boys and rich people will always have an advantage with ride time and gear.but cream always rises to the top.

[slowpoke]

D'OH! I've just twigged: RSV4R Factory's and 1098R Ducati's etc are now eligible for Superbike. Jaysus, maybe even a Ducati Desmosedici, how many of 'em have been sold in NZ?

These things have got the adjustable engine mounts, steering head angle, data acquisition, T/C, quick shifter etc and virtually as I write this it will be fitering down to the bargain basement R1's, GSXR's etc too. Check out the info filtering out of Kawasaki regarding the next ZX10R, the blardy thing looks to have most of the above plus variable valve timing. Basically, it's all out there, and barring the GFC we'd probably already be riding the next gen bikes with it in place NOW.

So really, in a year or two, most of the above will be stock standard and adding it won't be an issue. Even lightweight wheels aren't the big thing they used to be as improved manufacturing brings OEM stuff closer to the aftermarket gear. Still an advantage, yes, but not the order of magnitude it used to be.

As the guy above has mentioned, there is more than a hint of F1-ness about some of the changes too. So folks may choose to hang on to and modify bikes (as they do in F3) rather than updating every two years. Buy your bike and race it in Superstock for a year or two. While it's in for the major top end service give the engine a tickle up, fit a Bazzaz unit with quickshifter and T/C functions and move up to Superbike, next year on go a set of marchesini's, etc.

I kinda wish the Road Race Commision had given a bit more of a briefing regarding their aims/reasoning with the proposed rule changes. All the same I'm thinking it would be great to see some amazing bikes on the grid and may just glam things up a little. I'd certainly pay good money to see some of the top end bikes out doing what they are built for, rather than parked outside the latte bar. Maybe others will too?

Given just how cheap and available some of this technology is (Bazzaz etc) and how we are right on the cusp of previous GP-only technology filtering down to street bikes, I think the Commision have actually shown a fair amount of foresight. Rather than "head in the sand this does not exist" luddites we may just have a group of folks who have realised the technology is here now and we might as well embrace it.

[gixerracer]

Mate your pharke dremin if you think at 2k bazzaz unit will compete with my 20k motec system. Good on ya

D'OH! I've just twigged: RSV4R Factory's and 1098R Ducati's etc are now eligible for Superbike. Jaysus, maybe even a Ducati Desmosedici, how many of 'em have been sold in NZ?

These things have got the adjustable engine mounts, steering head angle, data acquisition, T/C, quick shifter etc and virtually as I write this it will be fitering down to the bargain basement R1's, GSXR's etc too. Check out the info filtering out of Kawasaki regarding the next ZX10R, the blardy thing looks to have most of the above plus variable valve timing. Basically, it's all out there, and barring the GFC we'd probably already be riding the next gen bikes with it in place NOW.

So really, in a year or two, most of the above will be stock standard and adding it won't be an issue. Even lightweight wheels aren't the big thing they used to be as improved manufacturing brings OEM stuff closer to the aftermarket gear. Still an advantage, yes, but not the order of magnitude it used to be.

As the guy above has mentioned, there is more than a hint of F1-ness about some of the changes too. So folks may choose to hang on to and modify bikes (as they do in F3) rather than updating every two years. Buy your bike and race it in Superstock for a year or two. While it's in for the major top end service give the engine a tickle up, fit a Bazzaz unit with quickshifter and T/C functions and move up to Superbike, next year on go a set of marchesini's, etc.

I kinda wish the Road Race Commision had given a bit more of a briefing regarding their aims/reasoning with the proposed rule changes. All the same I'm thinking it would be great to see some amazing bikes on the grid and may just glam things up a little. I'd certainly pay good money to see some of the top end bikes out doing what they are built for, rather than parked outside the latte bar. Maybe others will too?

Given just how cheap and available some of this technology is (Bazzaz etc) and how we are right on the cusp of previous GP-only technology filtering down to street bikes, I think the Commision have actually shown a fair amount of foresight. Rather than "head in the sand this does not exist" luddites we may just have a group of folks who have realised the technology is here now and we might as well embrace it.

[cowpoos]

Mate your pharke dremin if you think at 2k bazzaz unit will compete with my 20k motec system. Good on ya

ON the bright side Craig...neither of them units will make your honda faster...so you'll save some money eh!!!!

[gixerracer]

Haha Thats were your wrong smithers tested a unit all ready and some tyres and it actually makes a big difference due to being able to open throttle sooner with out wheel spin and also can control bike much better on the brakes therefor allowing me to brake even later so you watch the lap records get destroyed BY ME AND MY HONDA

ON the bright side Craig...neither of them units will make your honda faster...so you'll save some money eh!!!!

[Tony.OK]

Haha Thats were your wrong smithers tested a unit all ready and some tyres and it actually makes a big difference due to being able to open throttle sooner with out wheel spin and also can control bike much better on the brakes therefor allowing me to brake even later so you watch the lap records get destroyed BY ME AND MY HONDA

Awesome, so if ya spend another 30k on the Honda then Hampton won't have to paint a new finish line further back

Looking forward to seeing what happens with different bikes this year, the only real difference will be that the fast boys will be a bit further ahead than before.

[roadracingoldfart]

Awesome, so if ya spend another 30k on the Honda then Hampton won't have to paint a new finish line further back

Looking forward to seeing what happens with different bikes this year, the only real difference will be that the fast boys will be a bit further ahead than before.

Road paint is cheap Tony , its the sand abraised bike paint that costs !!!! Plus , its a bitch down ya undies. (sand i mean , not paint)

[Tony.OK]

Road paint is cheap Tony , its the sand abraised bike paint that costs !!!! Plus , its a bitch down ya undies. (sand i mean , not paint)

I thought they stopped using leathers with a button up bum flap?..............time to update your John Wayne type leathers Paul!!

[roadracingoldfart]

I thought they stopped using leathers with a button up bum flap?..............time to update your John Wayne type leathers Paul!!

I heard of that fancy leather shit ....... is it really better than Vinyl ?? The corduroy inserts are horrid for rain soaking .
I will get Martha to investigate for me .

[slowpoke]

Mate your pharke dremin if you think at 2k bazzaz unit will compete with my 20k motec system. Good on ya

Yep, with training I'm sure your Motec will help ya kick some serious ass, but most riders are struggling to plug and play a Power Commander let alone a Motec system, even if they were given one for nix. Having it and using it are different things.

So when are you off to tour the circuits to dial in the GPS corner by corner T/C settings? You guys will be buying Head and Shoulders by the 10L container with all the head scratching that will be happening in the pits.

Nah, I hear what you are saying, and you're right, but there are cheaper options for folks.

[gixerracer]

One of my best mate from uk little brother works in eugene levertys world ssport team as electronics guy he sent me a unit to try with a basic set up in it and hes coming out here for a holiday at the end of there season so guna stay with me for 7 weeks so pretty sure we can do alot of testing in that time should be mint

Yep, with training I'm sure your Motec will help ya kick some serious ass, but most riders are struggling to plug and play a Power Commander let alone a Motec system, even if they were given one for nix. Having it and using it are different things.

So when are you off to tour the circuits to dial in the GPS corner by corner T/C settings? You guys will be buying Head and Shoulders by the 10L container with all the head scratching that will be happening in the pits.

Nah, I hear what you are saying, and you're right, but there are cheaper options for folks.

[gimpy]

One of my best mate from uk little brother works in eugene levertys world ssport team as electronics guy he sent me a unit to try with a basic set up in it and hes coming out here for a holiday at the end of there season so guna stay with me for 7 weeks so pretty sure we can do alot of testing in that time should be mint

Bullshit, you dont have any mates

[gixerracer]

Stay out of this or i will stab you u mofo. Friends dont let friends ride Tig crafts

Bullshit, you dont have any mates

[slowpoke]

One of my best mate from uk little brother works in eugene levertys world ssport team as electronics guy he sent me a unit to try with a basic set up in it and hes coming out here for a holiday at the end of there season so guna stay with me for 7 weeks so pretty sure we can do alot of testing in that time should be mint

Cor, fantastic opportunity there mate.....but you know that already, eh? Even if that sort of stuff never makes it out of the cupboard it would be hell interesting to play with. Serious suggestion: have you thought of writing something up for or at least approaching one of the local bike mags? I'd pay to hear what someone as quick as you thinks of a system like that, so it would have to be worth a bit of coin in your pocket from them? (I never buy the local mags) Just an idea....