Labour troffers - underpants, golf clubs, wine and private planes - all on our money.

[Tank]

In NZ the 'Green' party are way more red than green. Heck - they even call themselves "Watermelons"

Thus - whilst Im (secretly) all for greenie stuff for the betterment of earth - I just cannot stand the green party.

[avgas]

... but I think GE is a good thing........I also like nuclear power (in principle), just not in NZ thanks, and not until they have dealt with what to do with the waste.

I think you have the solution right there. We need a GE bug that eats irradiated stuff.

[avgas]

In NZ the 'Green' party are way more red than green. Heck - they even call themselves "Watermelons"

Thus - whilst Im (secretly) all for greenie stuff for the betterment of earth - I just cannot stand the green party.

Seconded, voted for them twice......never again.
But then again I will not vote again until something is done about the glutinous political system we have here anyway.
Not an Anarchist, just a realist. With a country population smaller than a suburb in the average international city......why do we have so much national, regional and local politicians? Too many chiefs not enough Indians.

[mashman]

I think you have the solution right there. We need a GE bug that eats irradiated stuff.

or some form of nuclear waste (self) powered heat seaking rocket that guides itself towards the sun for incinaration?

[mashman]

We have more than enough really good technology to do some really simple stuff (keepin the workplace clean)... but we're spending too much time (money) on consumer (and war) goods (and their associated economies), instead of focussing on the much Larger and Current picture... there are generations of us (consumers) to come, take a look around you (David Essex ) at what's happened in the last 50 years (superb technology, Africa)... We kinda need to stop what we're doing and have a good and proper think about things no?

[shrub]

In NZ the 'Green' party are way more red than green. Heck - they even call themselves "Watermelons"

Thus - whilst Im (secretly) all for greenie stuff for the betterment of earth - I just cannot stand the green party.

Actually, we don't. And the old left/right continuum is pretty well redundant these days, but why let reality get in the way of a good prejudice, hey?

[Woodman]

In NZ the 'Green' party are way more red than green. Heck - they even call themselves "Watermelons"

Thus - whilst Im (secretly) all for greenie stuff for the betterment of earth - I just cannot stand the green party.

Agree with you there Tank, the green party themselves is mightily mis-managed PR-wise.

Are you really a greenie???

[shrub]

Agree with you there Tank, the green party themselves is mightily mis-managed PR-wise.

Are you really a greenie???

I think you're right, I get very frustrated with the Greens because they're too paranoid about putting a foot wrong and offending anyone, and tend to allow the great unwashed to think what they want to think. That would be fine, but the great unwashed generally think what they're told to think by various PR companies and are still operating in the reds under the bed paranoia over communists or socialists (which are interchangeable in their limited mindset) taking over and forcing them to sell their SUVs and work in a salt mine somewhere.

The fact that communism doesn't really exist any more in it's true sense (there are a few totalitarian regimes who call themselves communist), and that while some Green policies fit within the parameters of socialist thought (as do some National policies), they fail just about every test of a socialist political party and would be disowned by dear old Uncle Karl. Claiming that the Greens are "red" is like saying the Nats are fundamentalist Christians.

And most people support the core Green principles of sustainability, democracy, social justice and environmental responsibility because to not do so is like riding a bike without maintaining it - great in the short term, but....

[avgas]

or some form of nuclear waste (self) powered heat seaking rocket that guides itself towards the sun for incinaration?

named Icarus

[Woodman]

The poor old Greens have a real conundrum whereas they think that the great unwashed can make their own decisions, but secretly know that they need someone like the Greens to make those decisions for them. It must really tear them apart.

They need to leave all their idealistic social policies behind and realise that the only way to fix the planets environmental problems is by using rightwing policies.

what was this thread about???

[mashman]

named Icarus

or Phoenix

[Swoop]

Interesting on the news tonight about the clover. Greenies are instantly negative since it is "genetically modified" and Greenpeace seems happy with it since it's for "the greater good"...
They really need to get their shit in the same sock.

[rainman]

The poor old Greens have a real conundrum whereas they think that the great unwashed can make their own decisions, but secretly know that they need someone like the Greens to make those decisions for them.

Well, perhaps we should start making clever decisions on our own, then.

They need to leave all their idealistic social policies behind and realise that the only way to fix the planets environmental problems is by using rightwing policies.

By "rightwing policies" I assume you mean the neolib crap that has got us in the mess we're in today? If so, please feel free to explain a) why this would work, and b) why it hasn't so far.

They really need to get their shit in the same sock.

Why? Can't people disagree on things? Diversity is the primary good.

[shrub]

;1129784614By "rightwing policies" I assume you mean the neolib crap that has got us in the mess we're in today? If so, please feel free to explain a) why this would work, and b) why it hasn't so far.


Why? Can't people disagree on things? Diversity is the primary good.

I don't know, right wing policies have worked spectacularly well for a few people, who were then able to afford the best PR and marketing money could buy to convince everyone else that right wing policies were the answer despite evidence to the contrary. Cognitive dissonance is easy to overcome with the right pitch. And of course all green and environmental groups should agree on everything - it makes life much easier to understand if everything is a binary: green/not green, red/blue, right/left, with GW Bush/against freedomm. Hell, freedom of thought and independent choice in ideology is bad and leads to confusion and distress.

[Mully]

Where's Skyryder, while all this is going on?

I would have thought he would have been here to blame John Key for making Labour ministers spend all this money on their credit cards.....