Labour troffers - underpants, golf clubs, wine and private planes - all on our money.

**BoristheBiter** · 18th June 2010, 07:46

Originally Posted by rainman

Justice in the sense of treating fellow humans fairly, rather than as labour units/semi-slaves in a neo-feudal system. And "if you do it well you get paid more"? Bwhahahahahahahaha! Mostly to get more cash you have to move to a different role at a different company. (And I suspect to get non-monetary recognition you have to move to a different country).

Yeah, you should have the right to pay $1 per day if you want! Wait a sec, you can, if you outsource to the third world.

If you are typical of the caliber of NZ managers no wonder you struggle with basic employment law.

Just read again what i posted, (what a dick) i would have said the same back at me.
What i was wanting say was if you work well you get treat well if not you find somewhere else to work.
I look at the work each of my employees does and pay them accordingly.

**mashman** · 18th June 2010, 08:54

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

You expalin to me why four weeks holiday a year is fair.
and if you think the act is a wate of paper, try getting rid of some worker that is shit at their job.

Everything else we aggree.

lol, 4 weeks isn't fair... put my "theory" into action and you'd probaby get about 12, if not more... I can only assume giving the workers an extra weeks holiday was cheaper than giving them payrises...
Erk... that SHOULD be the easiest thing to do, but I get what you're saying... but you shouldn't need a piece of paper to tell you how you HAVE to run your business in regards to YOUR staff... if someone is shite, then they're in the wrong career/place and should be expecing to lose their job. There must ahve been some really bad employees out ther to warrant a whole Act

**mashman** · 18th June 2010, 09:01

Originally Posted by Woodman

Not in all cases, a lot of workers went on strike through fear. Fear of being blacklisted was the least of their worries. There were many cases of violence being threatened and used against non strikers, and non members. unions became a law unto themselves and deserved to be depowered. The current employment laws are all we need now. The process is fairly simple and fair.

Very true... it was a shitty time where the people were being ignored and stands were taken... it was a shame that some the "protestors" didn't view their actions as being for those who they were "violating"... The process was always fairly simple and fair from what I knew... the unions still fought for their workers though, something you rarely see today... is that because everything is ok now because we have a piece of paper that tells us how to do things? is that all that was needed? is that all they fought over? anyhoo... sorry for OT.

Troughers know fine well what they're doing, they know what the rules are and fully realise that all they have to do is apologise to keep their perks etc... should be kicked out of the job.

**BoristheBiter** · 18th June 2010, 09:03

Originally Posted by mashman

lol, 4 weeks isn't fair... put my "theory" into action and you'd probaby get about 12, if not more... I can only assume giving the workers an extra weeks holiday was cheaper than giving them payrises...
Erk... that SHOULD be the easiest thing to do, but I get what you're saying... but you shouldn't need a piece of paper to tell you how you HAVE to run your business in regards to YOUR staff... if someone is shite, then they're in the wrong career/place and should be expecing to lose their job. There must ahve been some really bad employees out ther to warrant a whole Act

The 4 weeks leave was a labour bribe to win an election, they didn't do it for anything else than that, same as the intrest free studant loans.

**mashman** · 18th June 2010, 10:08

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

The 4 weeks leave was a labour bribe to win an election, they didn't do it for anything else than that, same as the intrest free studant loans.

So nothing to do with the workforce being rewarded for their effort (i wholly agree with no interest on student loans)

... teachers get more than average joe... probably find the troughers get more holiday entitlement than average joe etc... where will the madness end lol... I take it the bribe worked... and also shows how fickle people are... offer something nice, to win votes, and then complain afterwards when you feel that you're getting shafted... ahhhh politics...

**avgas** · 18th June 2010, 10:09

Originally Posted by rainman

Justice in the sense of treating fellow humans fairly, rather than as labour units/semi-slaves in a neo-feudal system. And "if you do it well you get paid more"? Bwhahahahahahahaha! Mostly to get more cash you have to move to a different role at a different company. (And I suspect to get non-monetary recognition you have to move to a different country).
Yeah, you should have the right to pay $1 per day if you want! Wait a sec, you can, if you outsource to the third world.
If you are typical of the caliber of NZ managers no wonder you struggle with basic employment law.

I have to admit that its very bold to believe that the "minimum wage" promotes a better working environment.
Not on the dole are you?
Fact for the matter - is that it is the individuals that define what happens. Not the wage they are paid. This is why we currently have chinese students studying english in NZ. Many of them have families back in China working in what you would call sweat shops. But they have very simple goal of getting a heads up with each generation.
Minimum wage simply shifts the goal post - and allows them to "keep up with the Jones's".
You may want to read the news - more specifically about a company in china that broke the trend and had a "minimum wage".
FOXCONN have now had a dozen suicides. So clearly minimum wage is not the issue.......

**BoristheBiter** · 18th June 2010, 10:16

Originally Posted by mashman

So nothing to do with the workforce being rewarded for their effort (i wholly agree with no interest on student loans)

... teachers get more than average joe... probably find the troughers get more holiday entitlement than average joe etc... where will the madness end lol... I take it the bribe worked... and also shows how fickle people are... offer something nice, to win votes, and then complain afterwards when you feel that you're getting shafted... ahhhh politics...

We used to have long service leave but becuse of the four weeks thing it no longer exsits.
A lot of business owners felt shafted, then employees felt shafted and because of goverment trying to win votes and not do what is right for the country we are now fucked.

**mashman** · 18th June 2010, 10:52

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

We used to have long service leave but becuse of the four weeks thing it no longer exsits.
A lot of business owners felt shafted, then employees felt shafted and because of goverment trying to win votes and not do what is right for the country we are now fucked.

I think we still have long service leave (we do where i work)... it's just not a legal requirement... didn't realise it ever was... employer and employees alike get the shaft everytime the govt changes the rules... Yet they can't even live by their own rules... I, as a member of the NZ public and employer of the government, would like to request that troughers be dismissed from their employment should they be found guilty of troughing... lifetime perks (gotta be one of the most stupid ideas in the history of stupid ideas and the public accept it???) revoked and any other remedies anyone cares to mention (P.O.D) implemented to protect the public from their government rorting...

Let me have my financialless NZ and i'll show you a completely different country...

**BoristheBiter** · 18th June 2010, 11:22

Originally Posted by mashman

I think we still have long service leave (we do where i work)... it's just not a legal requirement... didn't realise it ever was... employer and employees alike get the shaft everytime the govt changes the rules... Yet they can't even live by their own rules... I, as a member of the NZ public and employer of the government, would like to request that troughers be dismissed from their employment should they be found guilty of troughing... lifetime perks (gotta be one of the most stupid ideas in the history of stupid ideas and the public accept it???) revoked and any other remedies anyone cares to mention (P.O.D) implemented to protect the public from their government rorting...

Let me have my financialless NZ and i'll show you a completely different country...

+100
like i said it's all about keeping there jobs.