Draggins kevlar longjohns now available in NZ

[Quasievil]

In general, decent Cordura gear does a fine job for the intended purpose.

Yes, as long as the intended purpose for cordura (if indeed it is cordura) is low speed, i.e street riding, certainly no use for trackdays and high speed stuff.

But the "marketing crap" comment is accurate in my opinion, seems another angle of Draggin ever increasing product range..........long johns ? for petes sake, I mean really common people

[onearmedbandit]

Eh dishing WTF ..... for me leather is the only proven performer in the market, if you think that opinion is wrong then do tell us how these will do anything other than pull your skin off via harsh friction burning

Kangaroo.

Just being a smart arse

[imdying]

In general, decent Cordura gear does a fine job for the intended purpose.

Screw that crap, leather doesn't fall to bits when the tarmac scares the crap out of it more than once.

Kangaroo.

When the roo's hide is tanned, what does that make it? Just roo hide, or leather?

[p.dath]

Yes, as long as the intended purpose for cordura (if indeed it is cordura) is low speed, i.e street riding, certainly no use for trackdays and high speed stuff.

Without wanting to hi-jack the thread, do you know of any abrasion resistance tests done for Cordura and Leather that are on the Internet? I've searched many times but never found anything decent. I would be great when talking to people to have a clearer indication of when people should move from Tectile to Leather, or rather, for people to be aware of the limitations.

Something like:

Cordura took 4.3s to wear through at 50km/h, 1s at 80km/h, etc
1.4mm Leather took 8s to wear though at 50km/h, 2s at 80km/h, etc

[onearmedbandit]

Screw that crap, leather doesn't fall to bits when the tarmac scares the crap out of it more than once.

When the roo's hide is tanned, what does that make it? Just roo hide, or leather?

Yep, Roohide. Not leather though. That only comes from cows.

Smartarse. Not often referred to as Kangaroo leather but yeah you're right.

[oracle]

Quality Leather with Armour is all there is, the rest is a compromise.

End of story

Life's full of compromises and it's all a matter of weighing the risks versus benefits. If someone isn't going to wear standard gear, this is better that nothing, surely you must be able to admit that.

Yes, as long as the intended purpose for cordura (if indeed it is cordura) is low speed, i.e street riding, certainly no use for trackdays and high speed stuff.

I don't think anyone would consider wearing these alone on the track. Again you have to consider who these are aimed at, not people doing track days, commuters who generally are only doing low speeds

[imdying]

Yep, Roohide. Not leather though. That only comes from cows.

Smartarse. Not often referred to as Kangaroo leather but yeah you're right.

Heh, nah, unbelievably for me, it was a genuine question.

Worth saying that I do wear a synthetic pants to work (not for jacket or gloves though), but then it takes me 8 minutes at slow speeds and I can afford to replace them easily any time I have an off. If I wasn't so lazy, it'd be leather pants too.

[onearmedbandit]

I've heard people referring to leathers suits made from Kangaroo hide so I just assumed.

[Quasievil]

Life's full of compromises and it's all a matter of weighing the risks versus benefits. If someone isn't going to wear standard gear, this is better that nothing, surely you must be able to admit that.

Yes absolutely, I wear Sartso jeans, but only in town, any where with speed its always good leather.
Kangaroo is awesome, except no one wants to pay for it lol

I know people like to bag me for having an opinion thats fine, but Im talking as a biker and I cant see the point in have kelvar underwear, how freckin horrible and uncomfortably Hot would that be, why not just buy some kevlar jeans for low level protection at least. long johns Pfft

I think as I said before marketing crap, someone with some pressure to make new products that are different, well they have done that alright.

[ital916]

Yes absolutely, I wear Sartso jeans, but only in town, any where with speed its always good leather.
Kangaroo is awesome, except no one wants to pay for it lol

I know people like to bag me for having an opinion thats fine, but Im talking as a biker and I cant see the point in have kelvar underwear, how freckin horrible and uncomfortably Hot would that be, why not just buy some kevlar jeans for low level protection at least. long johns Pfft

I think as I said before marketing crap, someone with some pressure to make new products that are different, well they have done that alright.

It is not that hot. Draggin jeans are kevlar lined and breath just like normal jeans. These new leggings work like long johns in providing a thermal layer against the cold but like normal thermals have a degree of breathability. Yes in hot weather they will be hot but in winter, if protection is needed under normal clothes, then why not kill two birds with one stone. For the record they are not abrasive or uncomfortable at all. The kevlar is different to the unobtanium stuff used in normal draggins and is much nicer and softer.

I for one wouldnt mind a pair to use on cold days when I am going to work but want to wear my nice trousers and still have some protection. Sometimes, wearing draggins or other kevlar jeans isnt the best option.

Next time you are up in aucks pop in and have a looksee.

Now if there is one complaint I do have about gear in nz, that is the lack of decent riding backpacks.

[yachtie10]

why cant I wear these long johns under my drag-gin jeans for warmth and little more protection
or even my cordura pants for that matter

[nadroj]

I cant see the point in have kelvar underwear. long johns Pfft

At least they would protect you from CrazySteve!

[PirateJafa]

Screw that crap, leather doesn't fall to bits when the tarmac scares the crap out of it more than once.

You're clearly doing it wrong if you're crashing that often.

[p.dath]

I know people like to bag me for having an opinion thats fine, but Im talking as a biker and I cant see the point in have kelvar underwear,

I'm with Quasieveil at the moment. Could you post some pictures of the kit, or give a URL to it? I have no problems understanding the Long John's part - but I'm sceptical of additional protection afforded by it being Kevlar.

So the garment is breathable, yet gravel and dust particles wont penetrate it? Somehow it affixes to the skin so as to not slide on the skin? I assume being Long Johns it's a stretch fabric? If it slides on the skin, and dust particles get in, then your going to get an abrasion. If it just moves around on your skin your probably going to get an abrasoin from the heat of the movement.

I can only laugh . Everyone is free to wear what underwear they like. That's your business! I just can't see it adding much more protection than no underwear.

[ital916]

I'm with Quasieveil at the moment. Could you post some pictures of the kit, or give a URL to it? I have no problems understanding the Long John's part - but I'm sceptical of additional protection afforded by it being Kevlar.

So the garment is breathable, yet gravel and dust particles wont penetrate it? Somehow it affixes to the skin so as to not slide on the skin? I assume being Long Johns it's a stretch fabric? If it slides on the skin, and dust particles get in, then your going to get an abrasion. If it just moves around on your skin your probably going to get an abrasoin from the heat of the movement.

I can only laugh . Everyone is free to wear what underwear they like. That's your business! I just can't see it adding much more protection than no underwear.

If you come off in draggins, you can get gravel rash through the jeans, same with cordura and leather. You can get abrasion and bruising etc through the gear. They are not magical barriers that stop everything.

The idea of the long johns is to keep you warm and if you come off to stop contact with the road and thus preventing it from taking your skin off. No it will not stop all road rash but will greatly minimise the harm done by the road.

I have come off and had friends come off in everything from normal jeans to full suits, in 99% of the cases the gear has prevented major injuries but most of the time we all suffered road rash in some form THROUGH the gear.

Its not a magical barrier but better than nothing and is a hell of a lot easier to live with than leather pants to work everyday.

A major flaw in your thinking is that a breathable garment will let gravel in. Air molecules are a lot smaller than gravel. Cordura and leather both breath to respective levels, yet dont let in gravel. As for dust?.....really. Lets stop and think about that one lol.

Practicality wise, I think they are great and fail to see how people fail to see their useability. They are not leather pants and dont try to be.

READ THIS!

http://www.webbikeworld.com/r3/dragg...raggin-liners/

http://www.dragginjeans.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=DLINERS