What's your thoughts on Winston Peters???

[Dafe]

Hey guys and gals, Just wandering what everybody is thinking of Winnie these days? He's been in the news a fair bit lately and has announced intentions within his policies to create a unit to deal with enforcing illegal immigration. Sounds bloody good to me! I ain't got anything against Asians, two of my best mates are Asians, but isn't this country loosing it's kiwi ethnicity? Winnies primarily targeting a reduction in Asian immigration.
Probably too late though, If somebody does the count, they might find that theres more Asians than europeans, islanders and maori together!!! Is anybody happy with Helen?

[Eurodave]

Kin oath mate, old Winnies on the right track & hes gunna get quite a few votes this time,me included
Ive seen that there is one hell of an asian backlash happening @ the mo!
Go for a look round Christchurch some time, slopes [or "Squid" as my daughter calls them] & their diarys/superettes etc are all over the where!

[John]

Hey guys and gals, Just wandering what everybody is thinking of Winnie these days? He's been in the news a fair bit lately and has announced intentions within his policies to create a unit to deal with enforcing illegal immigration. Sounds bloody good to me! I ain't got anything against Asians, two of my best mates are Asians, but isn't this country loosing it's kiwi ethnicity? Winnies primarily targeting a reduction in Asian immigration.
Probably too late though, If somebody does the count, they might find that theres more Asians than europeans, islanders and maori together!!! Is anybody happy with Helen?

I am going to agree with you totally - but what do I know, I'm just a silly little boy - I remeber the days of when winston was a big shot, and was oposite to what he is today.. I rate him scarey times we live in init..?

[Big Dave]

What Sky Sports channel is he on?

[John]

What Sky Sports channel is he on?

Sometimes, I really want the drugs that you take - seriously you have to start sharing them.

[she_said]

I dont know much of politics but i didnt like what Winston Peters Said on the news tonight. To me it just sounded like he was totaly against asians. Now im not trying to offend anyone here but i would sooner have our streets filled with asian people than pacific islanders...

[Big Dave]

Sometimes, I really want the drugs that you take - seriously you have to start sharing them.

Sport 365 says caffeine is quite controversial at the moment.

[Dafe]

Isn't New Zealand supposed to be a beautiful clean country???
So why the hell have do we have Helen Clarke as the face of our nation?

[Sniper]

I smell sausages

[zadok]

I see you have a census coming up again next year. Check the official stats from 2001 here: http://www.stats.govt.nz/census/cult...ity-tables.htm
Opens with M.S Exell.

Fortunately we don't have much problems with gangs like the 'Mongrel Mob' etc over here. There are a few Asian gangs that get themselves in the news. They tend to fight among themselves.

[Marmoot]

but isn't this country loosing it's kiwi ethnicity?

Sorry to be ignorant, but what is the "kiwi ethnicity" you mentioned?
The White? Or the Maori?

I saw it everywhere it says the Maori culture, but I think that has been lost a long time, mate. Actually, your so-called kiwi-ethnicity "killed" it by banning Te Reo in 1960, etc.

Or did you actually mean "it's British Ancestry"?

Now you got me confused. If the Asians were to assimilate, which culture should they choose? The Maori as NZ original, or the White culture? If they choose the White culture, wouldn't NZ loose it's ethnicity and become simply a part of British?

Plus, what is the definition of Imigrants? Is 20-years immigrant actually becoming a kiwi, or still an immigrant? Goes the same for 50-years immigrant? If so, there is a hell lot of us who are immigrants. What makes one group of immigrant different from the other group? If today he targets Asian, and one day Asians diminish, which group he would target the next? Americans? Eastern Europeans? A whole can of worms, aye?

And what other policies does he have? What about the business growth, especially in the long run? What plan does he have? And with the freetrade coming, can he actually block a huge trade path (example: to China) and export our meat somewhere else? Are we going to lose potential income on this political maneouvre? What about the division between Maori and Pakeha, does he have any plans to avert this issue? And the welfare system overload? National Policing? The $3Billion lost on Tourism and Education sector this year? etc.

The business of running a country is not only dependant on one platform, mate. If it is, then I would have known which one to choose.

[James Deuce]

He's a sleaze bag with a veneer of policy so thin it's see-through. He has only one thing in mind: getting back into Parliament to continue the gravy train. He has less personal integrity than Peter Dunn, and that is saying something.

Whatever button he can push to get aged, white, working/middle class "Commonwealth" citizens (ex-pat Brits and Aussies, and conservative Kiwis, all of a certain age and above) to vote for him he will push irrespective of the consequences.

He's a racist, "realpolitik" politician of an old and fascist school.

[James Deuce]

Sorry to be ignorant, but what is the "kiwi ethnicity" you mentioned?
The White? Or the Maori?

I saw it everywhere it says the Maori culture, but I think that has been lost a long time, mate.

Or do you mean "it's British Ancestry"?

Now you got me confused. If the Asians were to assimilate, which culture should they choose? The Maori as NZ original, or the White culture? If they choose the White culture, wouldn't NZ loose it's ethnicity and become simply a part of British?

Stop being a smart arse Marmoot. You know damn well that inside 300 years this will be a Han Chinese dominated agricultural satellite state of China.

[Marmoot]

Stop being a smart arse Marmoot. You know damn well that inside 300 years this will be a Han Chinese dominated agricultural satellite state of China.

I would hate it as much as you do, Jim.
Don't worry, we're on the same boat in this one.
But, as the focal point is about Winnie's policy, the argument is valid.

As about the "Han Chinese dominated agricultural satellite state of China", breeding cows in China is much cheaper than in here. Don't you realize the Chinese immigration has dropped by 80% already in the past year?

Oh, by the way, I wonder if that sentence is actually what Maoris were thinking when the Brittons came here?
"Stop being a smart arse my son. You know damn well that inside 30 years this will be a Pakeha dominated agricultural satellite state of England."

[James Deuce]

I would hate it as much as you do, Jim.
Don't worry, we're on the same boat in this one.
But, as the focal point is about Winnie's policy, the argument is valid.

As about the "Han Chinese dominated agricultural satellite state of China", breeding cows in China is much cheaper than in here. Don't you realize the Chinese immigration has dropped by 80% already in the past year?

Oh, by the way, I wonder if that sentence is actually what Maoris were thinking when the Brittons came here?
"Stop being a smart arse my son. You know damn well that inside 30 years this will be a Pakeha dominated agricultural satellite state of England."

That is actually EXACTLY what the NZ Company was thinking regarding the integration of NZ Maori during the colonisation of NZ in the 19th century. It is vital in any debate that you can see and understand BOTH sides of the argument. I just played the advocate for you, in a colloquial way, though with a friendly inclusive tone, and you've kicked me in the teeth for it. Is it any wonder that Inter-cultural communication between Asian migrants and NZ residents is so poorly managed when Asians typically refuse to attempt to understand the resident mind-set and insist that their cultural framework is the ONLY way forward.

As far as "breeding" cows in China, there is no co-ordinated breeding programme, so they are suffering quite badly from the genetic degradation of their stock. My father-in-law sells Jersey straws to Malaysia and China as part of a NZ sponsored initiative to establish a managed breeding programme in those countries.

No matter how big or economically powerful the country, NZ's agricultural expertise is still sought after because we have to manage difficult development programmes for stock and feed in a country that actually, despite its greeness, is missing a lot of the trace elements required to keep fauna and flora healthy.

Think before you assume you are being attacked for your ethnicity. Being called a smart-arse is a compliment in NZ. It means you have the wit to make someone feel like they've been duped.

You've also assumed that I would "hate" for NZ to become an Asian nation. I DO NOT LIKE BEING PATRONISED. Nor to I like words being placed in my mouth. I advocate for Asian immigrants as much as I can. I have no fear of change. All things change. I would prefer it to be managed change, and not the same old series of reactionary blunders that characterise Human history.