What's your thoughts on Winston Peters???

[Badcat]

Nandos? Yeah, I quite like their chickens.....

mmmmmm - chicken........

[Sutage]

Madboy has it right.. its not the ethnicitys you bring in its the peolpe from them, there are jackasses in every country of every race, bottom line. i dont think we should be brining in "asians" or "indians" and then let them do stupid jobs like supermarkets etc
i know quite a few "asians" some from this site and they are great guys and NZ is lucky to have them, but there are some who just stick in their little mt albert chinese chip shop and do shit all to integrate into NZ society, which at the end of the day is mixed, always will be and thats how it should be

[Lias]

I'm quite seriously thinking about voting for NZ First this year because of the immigration policy.

I've always been "patriotic", I grew up with a love of NZ, kiwiana, and even as a child I absolutely loved watching documentaries and footage of earlier times in NZ. I love things like "the way we were" series etc. I dream of better days when our country wasn’t being flushed down the dunny by Comrade Clark and her politically correct sycophants.

I consider that NZ culture is made-up of European and Maori culture, and is unique. I believe that the massive influx of immigrants that has happened in recent decades is steadily eroding our culture, as is the regrettable influence of American TV.

Words cannot express the depth of my belief about NZ, but I will attempt to paraphrase as follows.

If you come to NZ, the only acceptable languages are English and Maori. Somalian is out, Chinese is out, French is out, Greek is out, and American spelling is DEFINITLY out.
If you come to NZ, our laws and way of doing things may be different, but you need to accept this adapt to us, not the other way around.
If you come to NZ, you can keep some of your culture but you also need to adapt and integrate into ours. Being a member of the Caledonian Society or the Sikh Society is fine, expecting to be allowed to wear a lavalava and speak Samoan at work is not.
If you come to NZ, and commit any reasonably serious crime before you are a full citizen, then you should be jailed, serve your full time, and then be deported home.
If you come to NZ, under false papers, false pretences, or as a “refugee” who paid a criminal group thousands to smuggle you in, then I believe you should be sent home. If you manage to destroy all your papers and we can’t prove where you came from, I think we should give you some water-wings, and drop you outside the 200 nautical mile limit.
I believe that Pacific Islanders should have to meet the same immigration criteria as any others, rather than being allowed unlimited entry up to a certain cap each year.
I believe that the Australians have it absolutely right with the way they are putting all the illegal immigrants into detention centers until they are proven beyond reasonable doubt to be genuine refugees.
I personally cannot comprehend how any kiwi can in good conscience support keeping Ahmed Zaoui in this country. He is a wanted criminal in france with terrorist associations, and fled to NZ on a false passport rather than answer to the french justice system.
I personally cannot comprehend how any kiwi can in good conscience support keeping Senee Niusila in this country. He’s unemployed overstayer, who has two convictions for beating his wife, but has not been jailed or deported because his medical condition means he will die at home. Tough shit imo.

We have many problems in this country, in my mind the vast majority of them caused by the Labour governments, and in particular Comrade Clark. Immigration is one of the largest of these but not the only one.

Time for "Viva la revolucion"?

[ManDownUnder]

If you come to NZ, the only acceptable languages are English and Maori. Somalian is out, Chinese is out, French is out, Greek is out, and American spelling is DEFINITLY out.
If you come to NZ, our laws and way of doing things may be different, but you need to accept this adapt to us, not the other way around.
If you come to NZ, you can keep some of your culture but you also need to adapt and integrate into ours. Being a member of the Caledonian Society or the Sikh Society is fine, expecting to be allowed to wear a lavalava and speak Samoan at work is not.
If you come to NZ, and commit any reasonably serious crime before you are a full citizen, then you should be jailed, serve your full time, and then be deported home.
If you come to NZ, under false papers, false pretences, or as a “refugee” who paid a criminal group thousands to smuggle you in, then I believe you should be sent home. If you manage to destroy all your papers and we can’t prove where you came from, I think we should give you some water-wings, and drop you outside the 200 nautical mile limit.
I believe that Pacific Islanders should have to meet the same immigration criteria as any others, rather than being allowed unlimited entry up to a certain cap each year.
I believe that the Australians have it absolutely right with the way they are putting all the illegal immigrants into detention centers until they are proven beyond reasonable doubt to be genuine refugees.
I personally cannot comprehend how any kiwi can in good conscience support keeping Ahmed Zaoui in this country. He is a wanted criminal in france with terrorist associations, and fled to NZ on a false passport rather than answer to the french justice system.
I personally cannot comprehend how any kiwi can in good conscience support keeping Senee Niusila in this country. He’s unemployed overstayer, who has two convictions for beating his wife, but has not been jailed or deported because his medical condition means he will die at home. Tough shit imo.

Time for "Viva la revolucion"?

MAAATE... big call dude.

While I disagree with some of what you say, and can agree with the sentiment of other aspects of it... I think the irony of your closing comment sums it up really.

Isn't it French?

Be careful what you ask for - those picking up the guns are most often the ones in the crosshairs...
MDU

[Lias]

Yes its french, and yes it was intended to be ironic.

[ManDownUnder]

We ARE a multicultural society - always have been. I think we need to open our borders to those in need - while maintaining the needs of New Zealand.

If we let everyone in - we can't afford to feed them - we all suffer - no sense in that.

That being said we have a responsibility as member of the international community to help those in need. Others have come to our aid in the past, now it's our turn to pitch in. No big deal - that's just life.

As for limiting people on certain characteristics they inherit (race, colour, language etc)... nup. That's just dumb. How about a practical approach like getting more skilled doctors (if we need doctors) or mechanics or those bringing in money or...

y'know - do an exchange of sorts where we both benefit.

Yes I expect whoever that arrives on our shores to assimilate into NZ. I do NOT expect them to throw away their culture or identity. If theft and fraud were ways of life in a foreign land (and lets face it - it is like that in many countries) then we need to point out how WE put food on the table, money in the bank etc.

They're doing it the way they know how - and if it's not acceptable then show/teach/warn them... and follow it up in a neutral way - same punishments as a native kiwi would have faced.

I'm not too keen on my taxes going on paying for people in prisons, and I think there should be a reclamation from their native government or similar if that's a way of achieveing it, but then I can also see a number of problems with that approach.

These issues need thought - thinking long and hard. If/when we get it right - we all benefit. Get it wrong and we lose.

MDU

[ManDownUnder]

Yes its french, and yes it was intended to be ironic.

uh huh... no NZ equivalent then?

[edit] - this is a genuine question... if there is one I'd love to hear it. One that is as eloquent, meaningful and captures the nuances of the "bring it on" sentiment

[Lias]

I believe it translate along the lines of "Long live the revolution", but it's a phrase thats been around for hundreds of years (since the french revolution)and has relatively wide recognition and political signifigance.

[Sutage]

uh huh... no NZ equivalent then?

How about "fuck helen clark"

[Paul in NZ]

Now back to the racial slurs... The problem I see occuring is the influx of certain ethnicities who, for whatever reason, enter NZ, live in a particular suburb/area and associate only within their own culture. I think it's pure bad manners to move to someone else's country and then don't make an effort to fit it - when in Rome, do as the Romans do??.

Rock on dude...

You are so right!!!!

It's about time those snobby white bastards moved outta those flash suburbs and started mixing with the Tangata Whenua eh! The buggers yabber on in their own lingo, keep to their own, have no regard for the law of the land, build their own churches and just won't adopt the local culture...

Cheers

[ManDownUnder]

I believe it translate along the lines of "Long live the revolution", but it's a phrase thats been around for hundreds of years (since the french revolution)and has relatively wide recognition and political signifigance.

Oh I know it's history, my point is - it HAS history... and thereby offers something to learn.

[ManDownUnder]

Rock on dude...

You are so right!!!!

It's about time those snobby white bastards moved outta those flash suburbs and started mixing with the Tangata Whenua eh! The buggers yabber on in their own lingo, keep to their own, have no regard for the law of the land, build their own churches and just won't adopt the local culture...

Cheers

touche! (damn - wrong language.. or is it... hell I dunno)...

[Lias]

We ARE a multicultural society - always have been. I think we need to open our borders to those in need - while maintaining the needs of New Zealand.

I have no issue with this, except that I believe the needs of NZ need to come first.

That being said we have a responsibility as member of the international community to help those in need. Others have come to our aid in the past, now it's our turn to pitch in. No big deal - that's just life.

See above, pitching in is fine, as long as the needs of NZ come first, and I believe that a part of that is NOT taking criminals and leeches. Bring on the skilled professionals with a good work ethic regardless of race, colour or creed, but ship the scumbags back.

As for limiting people on certain characteristics they inherit (race, colour, language etc)... nup. That's just dumb. How about a practical approach like getting more skilled doctors (if we need doctors) or mechanics or those bringing in money or...

You had me till you said language. People cant change their race or colour, but they CAN learn to speak english, and I think they bloody well should if they want to come here.. How is any skilled professional (the immigrants we want) going to be able to function here if they dont speak English? No matter how many PHD's they have if they dont speak english they will almost certainly be on the dole.

Yes I expect whoever that arrives on our shores to assimilate into NZ. I do NOT expect them to throw away their culture or identity.

I dont expect them to throw it all away either, but they need to be Kiwi's first, and their origins second. I belong to a Caledonian Society, but you don't see me running around in a kilt and talking scots gaelic, or biff running around covered in blue paint and speaking welsh on a day to day basis do you?

They're doing it the way they know how - and if it's not acceptable then show/teach/warn them... and follow it up in a neutral way - same punishments as a native kiwi would have faced.

We'll probably have to agree to disagree on this.. I strongly believe immigrants should be deported if they commit serious crime. No matter what culture you are from, normal people still know right from wrong. I'm not talking shoplifting here, but in the last few years we've had the high profile Iraqi rapist, and the Tuvaluean wife basher, who've both been convicted of serious crimes, put back into our society and then offended again.

I'm not too keen on my taxes going on paying for people in prisons, and I think there should be a reclamation from their native government or similar if that's a way of achieveing it, but then I can also see a number of problems with that approach.

Prison's dont HAVE to be a tax burden, but the politically correct types make them cost us money. If you put all the prisoners (kiwi and immigrant!) on basic diets, took away all their tv's and gym equipment, and made them do hard labour they could potentially turn a profit. Put em to work in quarries and mines like they did in the old days.

If/when we get it right - we all benefit. Get it wrong and we lose.

I think it's already going very wrong, thanks to Comrade Clark and her band of politically correct morons.

[Marmoot]

I believe it translate along the lines of "Long live the revolution", but it's a phrase thats been around for hundreds of years (since the french revolution)and has relatively wide recognition and political signifigance.

Should've used that in the first place instead of the french. Or, where is your NZ pride? Is our English language less significant?

[Lias]

A: Because the french phrase is well known, and has a historical political meaning.
B: Because it was a nice touch of irony.