MotoGP vs WSBK

**Deano** · 2nd July 2010, 15:24

Originally Posted by discodan

I'm sick of MotoGP's onboard cameras pointing straight at the riders arse,

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

Well it's what Honda wanted. And got.

Are you trying to form some sort of association between Honda and gayness ?

**Cheshire Cat** · 2nd July 2010, 21:24

Moto2 FTW!

**sil3nt** · 2nd August 2010, 11:49

Im guessing WSBK just ran the same track as Moto GP did at silverstone. Looking at the superpole time for Carl Crutchlow his time would have been good enough for 5th on the Moto GP grid. Looks like the WSBK Suzuki was faster than the MotoGP suzuki.

*edit*
Ah yep just found this http://www.crash.net/world+superbike...lverstone.html

**Oscar** · 2nd August 2010, 12:12

Originally Posted by sil3ntwar

Im guessing WSBK just ran the same track as Moto GP did at silverstone. Looking at the superpole time for Carl Crutchlow his time would have been good enough for 5th on the Moto GP grid. Looks like the WSBK Suzuki was faster than the MotoGP suzuki.

*edit*
Ah yep just found this http://www.crash.net/world+superbike...lverstone.html

Doesn't WSBK use qualifying tyres?

**discodan** · 3rd August 2010, 11:42

Originally Posted by Oscar

Doesn't WSBK use qualifying tyres?

Yep. But you would think that with all the other advantages that a GP bike has, they should still be able to lap quicker.

Still, it shows that not only the bike manufacturers are advancing but also that Pirelli have been working hard despite being a control tyre supplier.

**imdying** · 3rd August 2010, 12:25

Originally Posted by sil3ntwar

Im guessing WSBK just ran the same track as Moto GP did at silverstone. Looking at the superpole time for Carl Crutchlow his time would have been good enough for 5th on the Moto GP grid. Looks like the WSBK Suzuki was faster than the MotoGP suzuki.

The NSV500 qualified ok too, but got raped in the race.

**White trash** · 3rd August 2010, 12:27

Originally Posted by imdying

The NSV500 qualified ok too, but got raped in the race.

Bit like Deano, Drew and Luke over at Team Qualifier then?

**Oscar** · 3rd August 2010, 12:31

Originally Posted by discodan

Yep. But you would think that with all the other advantages that a GP bike has, they should still be able to lap quicker.

Still, it shows that not only the bike manufacturers are advancing but also that Pirelli have been working hard despite being a control tyre supplier.

You'd think so, but look at the difference between the lap records set a couple of years ago by MotoGP bikes with qualifiers and this year's qualifying times.

At Mugello, for example, Pedrosa qualified fastest at 1.48.819, whereas Rossi qualified with a 1.48.130 in 2008.

**discodan** · 3rd August 2010, 14:59

Originally Posted by Oscar

You'd think so, but look at the difference between the lap records set a couple of years ago by MotoGP bikes with qualifiers and this year's qualifying times.

At Mugello, for example, Pedrosa qualified fastest at 1.48.819, whereas Rossi qualified with a 1.48.130 in 2008.

So you're saying that they have nearly made up for the loss of qualifiers with an extra couple of years developement?

It's amazing really that they are just about as quick on race tyres on an 800 than they were on qualifiers on the 990s.

**Oscar** · 3rd August 2010, 15:01

Originally Posted by discodan

So you're saying that they have nearly made up for the loss of qualifiers with an extra couple of years developement?

It's amazing really that they are just about as quick on race tyres on an 800 than they were on qualifiers on the 990s.

No, I'm saying the opposite.
Seven tenths of a second is a helluva long time.

**discodan** · 3rd August 2010, 15:52

Originally Posted by Oscar

No, I'm saying the opposite.
Seven tenths of a second is a helluva long time.

Ah ok, I didn't catch your drift.

I don't reckon that .8 of a second is too much though, especially on a long lap like Mugello. Some times I see someone lay down a qualifying lap about .6 of a second faster than anyone else and think that will be the end of it only for some shit like Lorenzo to knock another .4 off the best time.

**Oscar** · 3rd August 2010, 16:04

Originally Posted by discodan

Ah ok, I didn't catch your drift.

I don't reckon that .8 of a second is too much though, especially on a long lap like Mugello. Some times I see someone lay down a qualifying lap about .6 of a second faster than anyone else and think that will be the end of it only for some shit like Lorenzo to knock another .4 off the best time.

8/10 of a second in qualifying would cost you five grid places.

**discodan** · 3rd August 2010, 16:27

Originally Posted by Oscar

8/10 of a second in qualifying would cost you five grid places.

Which is not as many as I would have thought. At Mugello, pole and last place on the grid were seperated by over 4 seconds. Riders further down the grid would need more than qualifying tyres to make up the difference.

I'm not saying they don't make much difference because they do make a huge difference. But I don't think it will be too much longer before we see the pole records being broken again on race rubber.

**Rcktfsh** · 3rd August 2010, 16:36

Originally Posted by Oscar

Doesn't WSBK use qualifying tyres?

The use of qualifying tyres makes it an irrelevant comparision, Jorge fastest lap in the race was 2.03.5 whereas the fastest SBK lap was around 2.05.2 this still doesn't give a fair comparision though as you are talking about different spec tyres obviously. Don't forget the SBK's also run shorter races so obviously the spec tyre can be softer than Moto Gp, finally I think you'll find the Moto Gp guys tend to run more consistent laps meaning a comparision between both series over say 20 laps would show a bigger gap than the 1.6 secs shown by fastest lap times.