MotoGP vs WSBK

[onearmedbandit]

quite funny how close bikes are, where as you compare cars from a touring car series to F1, the gap is far far larger.

A good comparison would be between a 1000cc stock bike vs 1000 Superbike and an HSV Commodore vs V8 Supercar. That would be truly telling.

[imdying]

quite funny how close bikes are, where as you compare cars from a touring car series to F1, the gap is far far larger.

What do you think would happen if F1 cars can tyres similar to the touring cars?

[kittytamer]

What do you think would happen if F1 cars can tyres similar to the touring cars?

...and weighed more and had no down force..... etc etc, not really a comparison, whereas the bikes CAN be compared because SBK and MotoGP both use the same suspension and slicks etc... a full on SBK is a long way from a production bike.
Having said all that, the most important thing is the racing and for the last few years SBK has been so much better than MotoGP. Something has got to be done, but with all the talk of Moto1 with production engines, is this not going to be very close to SBK?

[imdying]

Yeah, all that too... but just think about the tyres alone... they limit what lap times can be achieved more than anything else.

Very similar on GP and WSBK bikes, not even close on touring cars vs F1.

1 tyre manufacturer, a limit on this that and the other thing... it's all quite sad. It's prototype racing being ruined by needing 'viewer numbers', as if that's the holy grail Pretty bloody tragic really.

[CHOPPA]

Id say there times would be even closer if they were running the same tyres

[2wheeldrifter]

Is close. but could the track play apart?
Is this track suited more for the SBK bikes?

Just putting the idea out there....

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

...and weighed more and had no down force..... etc etc, not really a comparison, whereas the bikes CAN be compared because SBK and MotoGP both use the same suspension and slicks etc... a full on SBK is a long way from a production bike.
Having said all that, the most important thing is the racing and for the last few years SBK has been so much better than MotoGP. Something has got to be done, but with all the talk of Moto1 with production engines, is this not going to be very close to SBK?

I'd like to see GP racing go back to full on prototype two stroke bikes, totally unlimited in anything but capacity and WSBK to remain 'heavily' modified production based bikes. Keep the two very distinctly different.
If MotoGP (1) gets even closer to WSBK than it is already one is going to loose out.

Are we so concerned about times? isn't it the spectacle of the class and close racing that we want. Of course the times are going to be similar, many production bikes geometry specs are copied from the GP bikes and WSBK is based on those same production bikes. Having two similar classes (in so many ways) is going to produce similar times.

However the 1000cc rule in GP's will see a decrease in times I would assume.

[MaxCannon]

What I want to know is how come bloddy WSBK doesn't have overhead shots or on bike footage.

The round at Kyalami had helicopter shots and it was the best to watch thanks to different viewing angles.

Watched the GP and WSBK back to back at the weekend and seeing the same camera anlges for two WSBK and one WSS race gets a tad boring.

The Moto2 and MotoGP footage is miles ahead.

I'll let you all know what is looks like up close when I get back from Laguna Seca.

[CHOPPA]

I think they should have GP Superbikes!!! 40 Bikes on the line, fully modified Superbikes to GP standards! Its heading that way anyways

[kittytamer]

What I want to know is how come bloddy WSBK doesn't have overhead shots or on bike footage.

The round at Kyalami had helicopter shots and it was the best to watch thanks to different viewing angles.

Watched the GP and WSBK back to back at the weekend and seeing the same camera anlges for two WSBK and one WSS race gets a tad boring.

The Moto2 and MotoGP footage is miles ahead.

I'll let you all know what is looks like up close when I get back from Laguna Seca.

WSBK is getting on-board cameras for 2011 season. I agree, this will make it much better.
Also, did you see the difference in quality with Randy DePuniets on-board camera? He has the HD camera and it looks amazing!

[MaxCannon]

WSBK is getting on-board cameras for 2011 season. I agree, this will make it much better.
Also, did you see the difference in quality with Randy DePuniets on-board camera? He has the HD camera and it looks amazing!

Yeah the HD cam stuff does look pretty incredible.

I want onboard cam pointing back at the rider whever it's wet and they have clear visors on.
Must be some wide eyed expressions tipping into 5th gear corners on a wet track

[discodan]

I'm sick of MotoGP's onboard cameras pointing straight at the riders arse, hands or feet while providing very little vision of them going around the track. What's wrong with a camera facing forwards so we can get the riders POV?

[imdying]

Wow, they haven't got onboard cameras in WSBK? That's crazy... I just watch the 1990 GP500 race at Laguna Seca, and Wayne Rainey had one on his bike... and WSBK can't manage it for at least half a dozen bikes??!

[TonyB]

I'd like to see GP racing go back to full on prototype two stroke bikes, .

The only reason the factories bother competeing at all is because they use the series as R&D. There is no commercial benefit in developing 2 stroke engines as they can't meet emmisions standards in the real world (yet). The series went to 4 strokes because that was what the manufacturers wanted.

[onearmedbandit]

Well it's what Honda wanted. And got.