Wayne Gardner demands immediate TT ban

[Biggles08]

I'm reminded of the movie 'Demolition Man', starring Sly Stallone and Wesley Snipes.

Set in the future of a cold, sterile world where you have to conform to one way of thinking. No smoking, (how many smokers becry the selfishness of a racer ?) no fatty foods (incl meat), no swearing, no contact sports God forbid. Hang - where heading down that path already. Force fed regimes on the general populace because the powers that be know better.



No personal choices really. No wonder there was a sub culture fighting the system in the movie.

How many NZ street racing events have we seen cease to exist over the past few decades ? Is it because there was a death or another factor ?

Racers from other countries marvel that we still have street racing here cause the PC/OSH advocates have crushed them elsewhere.

So it is a slippery slope guys - today the Isle of Man, tomorrow Paeroa and Wangas, then circuit racing, then any contact sport that results in death or injury.

Ask any friend or family member of a racer that has died racing......that one death was one too many, but do they want the sport/event banned ?

LOL....that is possibly in my 'top ten movies of all time' its f$%kin funny shit!! "Whats the sea shells for?"

Anyway, whilst I agree with your sentiment and I also hate people encroaching on civil rights and my free choice....like I keep hammering on, its not an absolute, its a matter of balance. Times change and so does technology. Racing as we know it today only ever happened because originally there was no other places to race apart from on the roads (or beaches). Propose built circuits were then built. Machines were improved in speed and handling. I think its just progress Deano...some will disagree.

As far as the thin edge of the wedge theory goes, if we were losing anyone at the street races held here in NZ on a regular occurrence like the IOM, I can guarantee it would most definitely be canned. I would also agree that it should be IF we had a tally like the IOM has. As it stands, Paeroa, whangas etc are nowhere close to being as dangerous as IOM so no, they shouldn't be stopped...but if technology continues to advance machinery to a level where it becomes unrealistic to expect anything other than fatalities, it should go IMHO.

[White trash]

Here's another stat.

In the past three years, we've had four dead in our summer "season" of racing. One at Paeroa this year. Two at Pukekohe two years back. Another one the year before.

With 100 entrants max at each of those events? run over either one or two days? Each competitor runs a max of 250km over the weekend? Now which events have the shocking safety record? No way you'll catch me racing at an NZ road race event, that's fucking suicide. No wonder Sue's happy I'm not racing anymore.

[White trash]

You're not big on logic, are you?

Not often but have a look at my last post, full of logic.

[SWERVE]

True.......... if the IOM is stopped because of the fatality rate it WILL signal the end of all "real road racing" throughout the globe(and as we are one of the few places left) we will suffer.
No one is forced to ride such circuits..... once it stopped being part of the F1 calender the IOM became a race of choice for most (as many top racers have a clause forbidding them in their contract)
It is the " Mecca" for watching one of the few remainig "pure adrenelin" sporting events.
I have a best mate in OZ who crashed in the senior TT in 96 ......... was air-lifted to Liverpool royal infirmary... and read the last rites by the hospital chaplain. His only concern was a ride for the following year.
Our team sponsor did Nelson streetrace this year and said the only thing that came close was kayaking grade 6 rapids in Alaska!
Dont take away passion & excitment like this ....................PLEASE.
Sorry MR WAYNE G you are a "COCK"...................unfortuantly a cock that some people listen to.......................

[ktm]

Myself, I still miss the Masterton street races, anyone remember them? Also to Ivan, well said. May your dream come true.

[Deano]

As far as the thin edge of the wedge theory goes, if we were losing anyone at the street races held here in NZ on a regular occurrence like the IOM, I can guarantee it would most definitely be canned. I would also agree that it should be IF we had a tally like the IOM has. As it stands, Paeroa, whangas etc are nowhere close to being as dangerous as IOM so no, they shouldn't be stopped...but if technology continues to advance machinery to a level where it becomes unrealistic to expect anything other than fatalities, it should go IMHO.

The balance though is constantly swinging towards the leftie PC/OSH/wrap me up in cotton wool ideals. The more that people relinquish to those ideas, the easier it will be for them to say the argument is 'balanced'.

[Oscar]

Not often but have a look at my last post, full of logic.

All righty then, explain the relationship between kids in Africa and the IOM.

[White trash]

All righty then, explain the relationship between kids in Africa and the IOM.

Lots of kids dying in Africa, why isn't it a) compulsary to donate to them or b) ban reproduction, they're DYING over there man!

Please try to keep up.

[_Shrek_]

do they want the sport/event banned ?

well said Deano

& does it stop other family members from racing etc...
not from the ones i have meet, they do it becaus they love it,

I copied this out of world news

His wife told the BBC "Dobbsy" was "in his element" at this year's TT.

"I am forever grateful for the 11 days we had together at the TT this year. Without our daily responsibilities it was like a final honeymoon," she said.

"Dobbsy was in his element. He was bike fit. The bikes were going well. The team was like a finely tuned machine.

"He'd broken his own lap and race records. I'd never seen Dobbsy happier.

"He was the kindest, biggest hearted, most energetic fun man I know.

"He was so much more than my husband. He was my best mate."

the way I see it, if you don't like the risk stay off ya bike & take up knitting but don't start saying shut the TT or any other sport where people die because you don't have the balls or have lost them to do said sport rant over

[fossil]

[QUOTE=jonbuoy;1129802574]Sadly you may be right, and then people will start looking at road racing circuits in general or any racing that carries a risk - Grand National, Paris Dakar. Who knows what will happen when the NZ safety nazis get wind of road racing being banned in Europe - Paeroa/Whanganui next on the hit list. How long before governments get together and decide Motorbikes in general carry too high of a risk for its stupid population to take and need to be protected from themselves and banned from riding them??

It won't be very bloody long if you keep posting like this. Try something like this instead.
We have excellent circuits in NZ with a very low risk of injury,in fact its safer than road riding and our racing deserves support from the government depts(ACC & DoL) to make it more widely available to the general riding public.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Myself, I still miss the Masterton street races, anyone remember them? Also to Ivan, well said. May your dream come true.

Hell yeah. I won a lot of money there!

[Biggles08]

Here's another stat.

In the past three years, we've had four dead in our summer "season" of racing. One at Paeroa this year. Two at Pukekohe two years back. Another one the year before.

With 100 entrants max at each of those events? run over either one or two days? Each competitor runs a max of 250km over the weekend? Now which events have the shocking safety record? No way you'll catch me racing at an NZ road race event, that's fucking suicide. No wonder Sue's happy I'm not racing anymore.

And interesting enough, although not the reason for the crash, the one two years ago was at Pukekohe, a shit hole of a place (here we go....).

I would be interested to know the stats for the last say 10-20 years of competition compared between NZ racing and the IOM Tho trash (I genuinely would...I don't know). This would be a fairer comparison between the two being that it is a larger sample.

[Quasievil]

I would be very interested in finding out how the organizers have (or not) made the track safer over the years to keep up with
1/ the higher speeds of the riders
2/ the modern expectations of safety for spectators and riders.

[ellipsis]

.....many people over the years have tried to stop the TT, they all made the same mistake of thinking they were bigger than the sport. The TT has survived all of these people so far, Wayne and the like....join the queue..., who's listenin',...a bunch of soft wanks tried to knock boxing on the head some years back,....lotsa green soft twats would probably still like to,... all the medical facts point to it being a bit silly and dangerous,...lobby on that one too why dont you....

[White trash]

I would be very interested in finding out how the organizers have (or not) made the track safer over the years to keep up with
1/ the higher speeds of the riders
2/ the modern expectations of safety for spectators and riders.

OK.

They tarsealed the road. They now have airfences and crash protection. There is amongst the best medical professionals in the world on stand by with air support standing by. They postpone the racing when visibilty gets low. When road upgrades are done, they're done with thought towards how it will impact the track. I'm sure the list goes on.