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    Electrical registration

    as a rural drainlayer I frequently have to replace pumps/breakers/modify circuits on waste disposal systems.
    this usually involves diagnosis and direct replacement of components with the occasional modification when installing timers and alarms and such.
    I know I should have some sort of trade certificate, can anyone point me at which one I need to do?
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    If you're not working on any fixed wiring, as in wiring from the switchboard to an outlet or connection point, or inside switchboards then you could probably get away with electrical service technician registration, used to be A up to 230V with a plug or B up to 460 volts and connecting/disconnecting fixed wiring.

    If you're installing new circuits from switchboards to pumps then you probably need electrician registration.

    All this stuff is changing at the moment, so might pay to check up with EWRB about what you need, I think they are adding a couple of new registration classes for plumbers and heat pump installers.
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    It usually just involves a 3 pin plug, but some units are hard wired into a control box with breakers, a zelio ect.
    I deal with the wiring between (and including) the control box and the tank, anything between the control box and the house (inc 3 phase) then I get an electrician, so is pretty much like appliance repair
    It seems a bit stupid to me to travel for 3hours only to say "your pump is crook, i can replace it but i will need to get the sparky here to put the plug on"
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    Quote Originally Posted by lb99 View Post
    It usually just involves a 3 pin plug, but some units are hard wired into a control box with breakers, a zelio ect.
    I deal with the wiring between (and including) the control box and the tank, anything between the control box and the house (inc 3 phase) then I get an electrician, so is pretty much like appliance repair
    It seems a bit stupid to me to travel for 3hours only to say "your pump is crook, i can replace it but i will need to get the sparky here to put the plug on"
    I used to have electrical registration.

    One day I got a letter from those cunts at the EWRB telling me that as a registered electrical worker, I now faced much higher fines (potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars) for making a mistake, that I could no longer insure against the fines, that I now needed thousands of dollars worth of extra test equipment, and that that I had to pay some extra fees to stay registered.

    I declined to pay the fees, and I got a lovely letter saying I could no longer do prescribed electrical work.
    If I did and I made a mistake or got caught, I faced a (maximum) $2000 fine.

    I wrote back and said it sounded like a great deal !

    I have never bothered with electrical work since then, but you will find the EWRB a bunch of cunts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davereid View Post
    I used to have electrical registration.

    One day I got a letter from those cunts at the EWRB telling me that as a registered electrical worker, I now faced much higher fines (potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars) for making a mistake, that I could no longer insure against the fines, that I now needed thousands of dollars worth of extra test equipment, and that that I had to pay some extra fees to stay registered.

    I declined to pay the fees, and I got a lovely letter saying I could no longer do prescribed electrical work.
    If I did and I made a mistake or got caught, I faced a (maximum) $2000 fine.

    I wrote back and said it sounded like a great deal !

    I have never bothered with electrical work since then, but you will find the EWRB a bunch of cunts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lb99 View Post
    It usually just involves a 3 pin plug, but some units are hard wired into a control box with breakers, a zelio ect.
    I deal with the wiring between (and including) the control box and the tank, anything between the control box and the house (inc 3 phase) then I get an electrician, so is pretty much like appliance repair
    If you are in paid employment and doing electrical work without the right qualifications, you will be in serious trouble if caught.
    It is different if you are the owner of the residence where you are doing electrical work.

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    Further evidence of the feminisation of the whole regulatory industry.

    "We don't care what you do *sniff* but if we don't like it we'll see you in court".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    If you are in paid employment and doing electrical work without the right qualifications, you will be in serious trouble if caught.
    It is different if you are the owner of the residence where you are doing electrical work.

    Dangerous waters here.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...al-news/469888

    Looks like the fine is now up $10,000 if you do prescribed work when not registered. ?

    I'm not sure fitting a three pin plug is prescribed work though... I think only fixed wiring is.

    A call to the registrar may help, although I bet you find they offer more barriers than solutions..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    If you are in paid employment and doing electrical work without the right qualifications, you will be in serious trouble if caught.
    It is different if you are the owner of the residence where you are doing electrical work.

    Dangerous waters here.
    yep, it is a real worry. boss is keen to get me certified or whatever, specially after I told him about the fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by davereid View Post
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...al-news/469888

    Looks like the fine is now up $10,000 if you do prescribed work when not registered. ?

    I'm not sure fitting a three pin plug is prescribed work though... I think only fixed wiring is.

    A call to the registrar may help, although I bet you find they offer more barriers than solutions..
    barriers are all i'm getting so far. I cant decipher their website
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    Quote Originally Posted by lb99 View Post
    as a rural drainlayer I frequently have to replace pumps/breakers/modify circuits on waste disposal systems.
    this usually involves diagnosis and direct replacement of components with the occasional modification when installing timers and alarms and such.
    I know I should have some sort of trade certificate, can anyone point me at which one I need to do?
    If i can remember right you have to do two papers (a&b) plus hours. other than that you can wire a plug up but nothing else.
    I will check with the sparkys and get back to you.

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    This might help, the registration classes proposed last year which I think have now become official.

    Have a look and see where your work fits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoristheBiter View Post
    ...other than that you can wire a plug up but nothing else.
    Might be worthwhile to check on that.

    As far as I know, if you are in paid employment then you cannot DO anything with electrical connections. Period. Even if the boss tells you to wire up that plug, it is illegal to do so. A "proper" sparky must be used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    Might be worthwhile to check on that.

    As far as I know, if you are in paid employment then you cannot DO anything with electrical connections. Period. Even if the boss tells you to wire up that plug, it is illegal to do so. A "proper" sparky must be used.
    I was under the impression you can disconnect something, but you are not permitted to reconnect it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mom View Post
    I was under the impression you can disconnect something, but you are not permitted to reconnect it.
    Pretty much the same thing. If a device appears dangerous, it should be shut down and a sparky called to inspect/fix it. Anyone can pull a fuse out or flip the circuit breaker, or pull the plug.

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    Anyone can work on electric appliances however as soon as you do it for reward (paid or favour) you must have the appropriate electrical ticket for the job. Minimum qualifications & current practising licences are: Unplugable Single phase appliances = Service technician A, hard wired single phase & 3 phase machinery = Service technician B, Fixed wiring = Electrician
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