The ACC saga - a new approach.

[Katman]

OK but if you solve the perenial problem of how to get through to all the young and return to riding riders.

It can be achieved by the responsible majority regaining vocal dominance over the retarded minority.

[imdying]

Somewhere in world, it's 4:20, that should be enough in itself

[onearmedbandit]

It can be achieved by the responsible majority regaining vocal dominance over the retarded minority.

I haven't seen him post for a couple of days now.

[Maha]

I haven't seen him post for a couple of days now.

Report just in...the cone doctor feels the extraction will take longer than first thought.

[Str8 Jacket]

Report just in...the cone doctor feels the extraction will take longer than first thought.

Whippy!!! Oh, I mean Whoopee....

[bogan]

It can be achieved by the responsible majority regaining vocal dominance over the retarded minority.

sometime I have to wonder if the proportions are the other way round these days though...

[Squiggles]

So now we seem to have a focus, how do we go about achieving it? The likes of ACC are interested and open to ideas...

[MSTRS:Me]

So now we seem to have a focus, how do we go about achieving it? The likes of ACC are interested and open to ideas...

Are they? I've yet to see any proof of that. Other than the 'ideas' they come up weith themselves. Those ones haven't exactly pleased us.

[Squiggles]

Are they? I've yet to see any proof of that. Other than the 'ideas' they come up weith themselves. Those ones haven't exactly pleased us.

just thought I'd let you know that motor cycle safety will be a priority for ACC over the next financial year. Therefore I was wondering whether you, your members &/or associates had any particular ideas or thoughts on the issues of biker safety that we could work on together

[Katman]

Are they? I've yet to see any proof of that. Other than the 'ideas' they come up weith themselves. Those ones haven't exactly pleased us.

Open your eyes John - up till now they haven't seen any indication that we might be prepared to work with them.

Your sole focus on the idea of perpetuating the victim mentality will get us nowhere.

[MSTRS:Me]

Don't get me wrong. I'd be all for an 'open and frank discussion and sharing of ideas'.
Just haven't seen anything to that end from ACC. There's been shedloads from 'us' to TPTB. What's happened? Nothing. Bar ringmarking $30 each 'for safety initiatives'.

[Katman]

Just haven't seen anything to that end from ACC. There's been shedloads from 'us' to TPTB.

No, all there's been from 'us' is wants.

So far there has been no indication from us that we have an issue within our ranks that we need to address.

[That looks like fun]

Forget Frank and his open discussions, I haven't learned a lot in life but I have learned that if you want someone to agree with an idea then you must sell it to them. Now thats the hard part.
Oh yeah the reason cagers don't see motorbikes, because they don't. So we can either live with that fact or let them kill us by not looking for them

[fossil]

Try posting some good ideas on:http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...00-ACC-levy-on.

You never know whose watching.

[yachtie10]

No, all there's been from 'us' is wants.

So far there has been no indication from us that we have an issue within our ranks that we need to address.

Im not criticising your initative but they have had a lot of very good ideas presented by a lot of intelligent people. Just because some on here rant on about dubious oven ridiculus answers doesnt mean some havnt put good submissions in to them that were constructive. I would guess that the right people didnt read them or they are not interested in anyone elses ideas.

But best of luck at getting a group together with a concencus to go forward. (I am serious not being sarcastic)
I am off to ride overseas for a few months (where im covered by ACC if I am injured (costs when I get home that is)