Free Schepelle Corby Petion

**mikey** · 30th May 2005, 17:11

[QUOTE=Lou Girardin]Gee Mikey, you think it's good business to buy a product for thousands and sell it for hundreds.
I've got a bridge you might be interested in.

[QUOTE]

it depends doesnt if lou.

if you pay 10 lots of a thousand for a kg, or grow the shit yourself.....

an sell it off at 200 lots of a hundred then yess it doexs mkae fucking sense.

read the article in dominion post saturday about why people bring pot into bali.

its a lucrative business, or thats what im lead to believe.

if you were in bali who would you rather buy off......

some shit tinny full of stalk from a local who might be a cop or

from a westerner who has hydro growen huge buds, for a little more for peace of mind andfuck loads more potent

you decide

**onearmedbandit** · 30th May 2005, 17:15

Nah, I'll just stick to gettimg mine here in NZ.

And now for a bit of fence sitting. Unlike some here, I don't know ALL the facts relating to this particular case so therefore am unable to offer a position. Other than, if she's guilty she should do the time and vice-versa. However, I like what someone said (I think it was the first reply) in regards to the Bali Bomber geting 2yrs and Corby getting 20...

**Paul in NZ** · 30th May 2005, 19:39

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

Nah, I'll just stick to gettimg mine here in NZ.

And now for a bit of fence sitting. Unlike some here, I don't know ALL the facts relating to this particular case so therefore am unable to offer a position. Other than, if she's guilty she should do the time and vice-versa. However, I like what someone said (I think it was the first reply) in regards to the Bali Bomber geting 2yrs and Corby getting 20...

Ya got to look at it from their point of view..

To some he (the bomber) is a working class hero blowing evil rude wankers to pieces while doing gods work on earth... She is an evil drug peddler bringing misery and death to millions (and not giving out 'presents' either which is REALLY bad form).

Unless you are in their lives you can't see it the way they do! Their values systems are not our but in the case of drugs it is written in VERY big letters every place you enter their country. Ray Charles could not have missed it!

**Fart** · 2nd June 2005, 15:18

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

Ps – Just be a bit careful when making cross cultural value judgments. Just remember that us euros have a bad habit of strutting about assuming our ways are the civilized ways. We expect Asian people to adopt our ‘ways’ when they come here (bloody asian drivers etc) it’s reasonable to accept their ways when we visit them…

That is the most sensible and intelligent statement anyone has ever said in this KB forum on ethic issues.

I may use your quote for the signature.

**Lou Girardin** · 2nd June 2005, 15:41

I'm afraid that wrong is wrong regardless of culture.

**Biff** · 2nd June 2005, 15:51

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

I'm afraid that wrong is wrong regardless of culture.

Woman 'Allowing' themselves to be raped in the eyes of some Middles Eastern and African nations is punishable by death. We see the person being raped, not as being wrong, but as being a victim. Not so the govts and peoples of these countries.

We believe it's wrong to perform genital mutilation. Others believe vaginal circumcision is more than acceptable, despite the horrific side effects this can cause.

What's right for some, is barbaric and so utterly wrong for others, and is wholly dependant on your culture.

**Paul in NZ** · 2nd June 2005, 15:58

Originally Posted by Biff

Woman 'Allowing' themselves to be raped in the eyes of some Middles Eastern and African nations is punishable by death. We see the person being raped, not as being wrong, but as being a victim. Not so the govts and peoples of these countries.

We believe it's wrong to perform genital mutilation. Others believe vaginal circumcision is more than acceptable, despite the horrific side effects this can cause.

What's right for some, is barbaric and so utterly wrong for others, and is wholly dependant on your culture.

I totally agree with you here. Right and wrong are subjective. Until you understand this you are doomed to forever be trapped in a circle of violence. "Charge lads, remember god is on our side!"

Ah hem..

The problem is that cultural mores are exploited by unscrupulous people to justify evil deeds. That is common across all cultures.

HOWEVER - If you look deeply or spend time with the common folk you will discover that most 'ordinary' peoples, regardless of creed or religion share more in the way of common values that there are differences.

Cheers

**StoneChucker** · 2nd June 2005, 16:02

Ok, I agree Right and Wrong are subjective. But then you have to ask, what sort of society condones execution of rape VICTIMS and genital mutilation???

Ah,

, they're only women...

*

* Said with sarcasm, just incase anyone didn't pick that up..........

**jazbug5** · 2nd June 2005, 16:18

I think you will find that there are local initiatives concerned with changing these practises/beliefs in the countries concerned; actually, in certain African countries (I will admit, I am thinking of a documentary I saw last year and can't remember specifics) the Church is actively involved in persuading families not to do this to their children. I thought at the time it was great to see the Church doing something so positive- it even had some residential schools for girls who felt in danger of being forced to be circumcised against their wishes.
Okay, this stuff is sensitive, and I'm not sure I'd feel justified in marching into a country and telling them what to do, but I'm pretty sure there are quite a few brave souls who oppose these things in their own countries. Good for them. They stand more chance of changing things and have more right to than me- and probably wouldn't feel they needed my help anyway...
Rambling a bit. Sorry.

**Hitcher** · 2nd June 2005, 19:15

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

I'm afraid that wrong is wrong regardless of culture.

I think that could be debated endlessly, without resolution. Regardless of culture...

**Hitcher** · 2nd June 2005, 19:18

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

Ya got to look at it from their point of view..

To some he (the bomber) is a working class hero blowing evil rude wankers to pieces while doing gods work on earth... She is an evil drug peddler bringing misery and death to millions (and not giving out 'presents' either which is REALLY bad form).

Unless you are in their lives you can't see it the way they do! Their values systems are not our but in the case of drugs it is written in VERY big letters every place you enter their country. Ray Charles could not have missed it!

Isn't this the same point Jim2 was making on the other Schapelle thread that seemed to ignite a particularly nasty exchange?

**Skyryder** · 2nd June 2005, 20:09

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Isn't this the same point Jim2 was making on the other Schapelle thread that seemed to ignite a particularly nasty exchange?

No it's not. An injustice is an injustice reguadless of what legal system is used.

If an innocent person is found guilty in our system that makes it no better or worse if an innocent person is found guilty in another judical system. However the burdon of proof is greater here than 'there.'

Values 'are' relative in how we ascertaiin right from wrong. While there is no doubt that dope was found in Corby's bag there is 'doubt' (no eveidence) that she placed or even knew it was there. Now I believe that most people reguardless of culture would not consider a conviction in those circumstnces (Corbys) as being just, and, I dare suggest that most, like myself would consider it unjust. This in essence is the crux of the matter. It is not whether Corby recieved a fair trial it's whether and innocent female has been jailed for twenty years for something she did not do.

Sometimes when events occur outside of our control I am reminded of the saying "There but for the Grace of God go I."

Skyryder

**Hitcher** · 2nd June 2005, 20:16

Originally Posted by Skyryder

It is not whether Corby recieved a fair trial it's whether and innocent female has been jailed for twenty years for something she did not do.

Are you saying that she could have received a fair trial AND STILL be jailed for 20 years for something she did not do?

**Skyryder** · 2nd June 2005, 20:43

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Are you saying that she could have received a fair trial AND STILL be jailed for 20 years for something she did not do?

No I am not.

Skyryder

PS But it has happened here. Fair trial + false evidence= injustice. Ask Arther Allan Thomas. There is also some doubt about Peter Ellis, Scot Watson and some would say Bain's. A fair trial will not garantee justice it's just that it will in most cases.

Skyryder