Do you recommend Draggin Jeans?

[p.dath]

All the leather I use for repairs is cut out of the hide by moi. Expensive, but what is the point of using substandard products?

I know very little about leather. But lets say you take five cows - would the leather be of the same quality from all the cows, or can it vary a lot?

If it varies a lot, how can you tell the hide your cutting up is that good?

[Ratti]

Quality is more about the thickness the leather is finished to and what part of the hide you use.
The area along the spine is more dense than the areas around the legs. thickness is measured in mm in NZ.
As a comparison, upholstery leather is usually about 1.8-2.2mm, fashion leather sits around 0.7 or less, riding leather I would suggest 1.2-1.7mm.
The advantage of having gear custom made here in NZ is that the maker can use the hide to best advantage. denser hide on high impact zones, softer hide on parts of your gear that are less likely to take a direct hit.

Please understand Im not dissing any mass produced brands available, just pointing out one advantage of truly customised gear.

It does make implementing a NZ Standard tricky as so many things need to be taken into account. As already mentioned this include thread type, stitch length, quality and type of closures, type of seam used as well as what part of the hide is used in what part of the garment.

I am of the opinion tho that NZS for textile gear would be more straightforward.

[Genie]

I have leather...awesome. Just bought me some Draggin Jeans for summer...might use them, might not. Won't have the same safety requirements that leather does, but then again, I'm not planning on sliding.

[Number One]

I'm not planning on sliding.

Therein lies the problem....no one plans to slide...you might half expect to on the track however when on the road it ain't all down to us and even if it were that wouldn't always be in our favour....

Now that I have had a few offs - and felt the pain through armoured race suits and unarmoured leather pants I just can't get my head around riding in anything less than my leather or armoured corduras - it just feels wrong to me. I get all self conscious and can't seem to relax properly. Poor old Draggin cargos - they were VERY comfy though

[Genie]

Which is why a may not wear them...I want as much protection between me and the nasty road as possible. Had an off years ago, only a scooter but, at 50K, the road rips your skin off rather well! OUCH.

[Number One]

the road rips your skin off rather well! OUCH.

And the bruises from banging the deck...produce great photos! Bloody roads aren't cushioned!!!! It's okay though - someone will be onto sorting that out soon enough anyway

[p.dath]

Quality is more about the thickness the leather is finished to and what part of the hide you use.
The area along the spine is more dense than the areas around the legs. thickness is measured in mm in NZ.
As a comparison, upholstery leather is usually about 1.8-2.2mm, fashion leather sits around 0.7 or less, riding leather I would suggest 1.2-1.7mm.

Ratti, I've searched high and low for this info, so maybe you might have it.

Do you have a chart showing how many seconds various thickness leather takes to wear through (aka, abrasion resistance)?

For example, how long does 1.7mm leather take to wear through against tar seal with an 80kg weight on it?

I'm sure someone has done some research on this. When you suggest 1.2mm to 1.7mm - how long does that take before the protection is gone? 4s? 8s?

[Milts]

There's some good info on that here:
http://www.rideforever.co.nz/gear/how-gear-works/

As an indication, 1.4mm cowhide of the type used in bike leathers lasts about 6 seconds. Regular denim jeans about half a second - next to useless.

And more around the site. Not extensive, but useful nonetheless.

[IdunBrokdItAgin]

Just stumbled upon this video testing draggins from the MCN site.

This is their C evo jean.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Pr...eans-ce-tests/

It even shows a close up of the exact road surface they were tested on.

[p.dath]

Just stumbled upon this video testing draggins from the MCN site.

This is their C evo jean.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Pr...eans-ce-tests/

It even shows a close up of the exact road surface they were tested on.

They still only show abrasion resistance tests, and no impact tests. And they still only show someone being lucky enough to take a slide on their arse.

If only we could be all lucky enough that when we have an off we have such a controlled accident.

[Quasievil]

Just stumbled upon this video testing draggins from the MCN site.

This is their C evo jean.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Pr...eans-ce-tests/

It even shows a close up of the exact road surface they were tested on.

PFFT lame, wanna see some videos of a company owner testing his gear, let me know
Draggin video is soooooo yesterday

[crazyhorse]

Draggin jeans are still big in other countries, and they would be my preferred jean

[Quasievil]

I prefer these, better made in my view more robust.
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[imdying]

Was thinking about the value of impact protection, and got to wondering if you take a big knock, which causes a big bruise and a clot, clot lets go, travels to the heart, and kills you. Can't say I've heard of it happening to anyone I know, but is it a possibility?

[Ratti]

Sorry but I dont have any abrasion resistance stuff to hand. I do recall something along the lines of it being measured in meters of slide rather than seconds. From memory recommendations were for a 20m slide. Double layers on impact areas are a good idea and you see them on a lot of gear anyway.Armour helps improve time to wear through to skin but is mainly impact cushioning

Other factors such as how loose the gear fits, does it ride up shins, is there a gap at the waist all need to be factored in as well.

It's a complicated equation, but a fair bit of horse sense goes a long way to working it out.