The failings behind the Suzuki MotoGP project

**Cleve** · 15th July 2010, 16:31

Interesting read... http://www.visordown.com/features/th...ect/12637.html

**Cleve** · 15th July 2010, 20:40

So what will Suzuki do when MotoGP returns to 1000cc. Go back to inline 4 or stick with V4

**javawocky** · 15th July 2010, 23:37

Sounds like Suzuki's motogp hopes are kind of screwed from the article. They haven't got the huge technical backing of Honda F1 to help them out with extra power.

Was thinking about this one the way home, the GSXR 1000 is probably made for the thrill of it, the rocket power to get the average road user excited. Smooth power delivery is far less important than the liner delivery required by a MotoGP bike to come out of corners fast.

With the WSB lap times not far off the MotoGP times for the Suzuki, it would be tempting for them to chuck out the cluncky old V4 and shove a shinny worked Gixxer engine in.

**ajturbo** · 16th July 2010, 05:56

they should have brought Buell

**eelracing** · 16th July 2010, 12:19

Power has never been a problem with the thous (in fact too much was the problem) getting it to the ground is the real problem.

Fixing that and getting a half decent rider with the will and hunger to win is the key to Suzuki's woes i reckon.

**Taz** · 16th July 2010, 13:10

They should just give up?

**Crasherfromwayback** · 16th July 2010, 13:17

Poor in another 50 million so they can finish just inside of the top ten!

But no...admit defeat with the v4, and build a fuck off inline 4.

**DEATH_INC.** · 16th July 2010, 16:16

No, as they said, motogp is VERY different to WSBK, a gixxer engine wouldn't cut it. What they need to do is team up with one of the other F1 engine builders.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 16th July 2010, 16:34

Originally Posted by DEATH_INC.

No, as they said, motogp is VERY different to WSBK, a gixxer engine wouldn't cut it. What they need to do is team up with one of the other F1 engine builders.

Yeah it's all very well saying that...but when your GSXR1000 superbike laps Assen at nearly the same pace as your 'GP' bike...kinda sounds like bullshit. And the superbike ain't even fully factory backed. Are they trying to say that if the Superbike had neumatic valves and made another lets say...20hp and was lighter that it wouldn't cut it with the GSVR? I say bullshit.

**slowpoke** · 16th July 2010, 17:56

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Yeah it's all very well saying that...but when your GSXR1000 superbike laps Assen at nearly the same pace as your 'GP' bike...kinda sounds like bullshit. And the superbike ain't even fully factory backed. Are they trying to say that if the Superbike had neumatic valves and made another lets say...20hp and was lighter that it wouldn't cut it with the GSVR? I say bullshit.

Yep, hard to argue with that argument. It all comes back to how much each manufacturer is prepared to allocate to a MotoGP project, but Ducati are the smallest manufacturer yet have punched far above their weight, really putting the acid on the Suzuki effort.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 16th July 2010, 18:23

Originally Posted by slowpoke

Yep, hard to argue with that argument. It all comes back to how much each manufacturer is prepared to allocate to a MotoGP project, but Ducati are the smallest manufacturer yet have punched far above their weight, really putting the acid on the Suzuki effort.

They (Ducati) also stuck with technology they new best. Desmodronics...and adding 2 cyl to their already good v twin wasn't hard. Suzuki should just suck it up and build an all new inline four.

Certainly works well for Yamaha.

**Mental Trousers** · 16th July 2010, 18:43

You guys must've missed the bit where they said the V4 wasn't far off Yamaha's inline.

MotoGP is as much about technical backing and resources as it is about the bikes. Suzuki don't have it where the Honda and Yamaha do. Ducati has genius (both in the lead designer and rider), but I think their parent company have links with the Benetton F1 team so they're able to obtain technical advice from them.

**KS34** · 16th July 2010, 18:43

This really boils my blood!!
They drop WSBK the very year they can grab the title, and put their money into the pit called MotoGp. I am Dyed in the wool suzuki.... born that way, I can not see the benefit in Suzuki being in MotoGp when they are so poor at it, did they think the GSXR was soooo good they could get a private team to run it without development and it would still clean up! ARHHHHHHHHHHHH the veins are starting to show gotta go..........

**Crasherfromwayback** · 16th July 2010, 19:40

Originally Posted by Mental Trousers

You guys must've missed the bit where they said the V4 wasn't far off Yamaha's inline.

MotoGP is as much about technical backing and resources as it is about the bikes. Suzuki don't have it where the Honda and Yamaha do. Ducati has genius (both in the lead designer and rider), but I think their parent company have links with the Benetton F1 team so they're able to obtain technical advice from them.

Nope. Read it all good and proper! But if they think their v4 is close to Yamaha's inline 4...they're well and truly fucked.

**Cleve** · 18th July 2010, 19:40

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Yeah it's all very well saying that...but when your GSXR1000 superbike laps Assen at nearly the same pace as your 'GP' bike...kinda sounds like bullshit. And the superbike ain't even fully factory backed. Are they trying to say that if the Superbike had neumatic valves and made another lets say...20hp and was lighter that it wouldn't cut it with the GSVR? I say bullshit.

PLUS the Bridgestones instead of the Pirelli's and those alone would do at least 1 - 2 seconds a lap better surely...