Does drug prohibition put the police in danger and harm the public?

[carver]

prohibition is fucking retarded

my body

my life

my choice

[mashman]

An interesting read...from a retired Policeman's point of view.

So the cops know it's pointless, but have to endure because it's "political time bomb"... aye nothing like doing the best for ones subjects ...

[scissorhands]

Albert Einstein quotes:
The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the Prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this.


Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence.




Trust Al, he's really smart....

[Hinny]

prohibition is fucking retarded

my body

my life

my choice

I am the Master of my fate;

I am the Captain of my soul.

[slowpoke]

Albert Einstein quotes:
The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the Prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this.


Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence.




Trust Al, he's really smart....

Have a think about the last three words of the quote.........and come up with your own arguments instead of quoting out of context a physicist on matters totally unrelated to physics, who knew nothing of New Zealand culture, and drugs/policing in the 21st century.

He was a smart guy, but he died 55 years ago.....he was born in the 19th century and you're using his social theories as arguments in the 21st century? The most "advanced" governments he saw were under Truman and Eisenhower for chrissake. We're talking before Rosa Parks sat in the "wrong" part of the bus. If you wanna return to 50's type values then go right ahead. But how's about you "courageously" use your intelligence to have a wee think about what Einstein actually lived through and explain how the out of context quotes you keep regurgitating apply to New Zealand.

If you could show him around the party spots and hospitals on a friday/saturday night and the the news reports of guys feeding kittens to their dog, or putting toddlers in dryers or just plain bashing them, or deliberately drivng their car into a crowd of people etc etc then followed by the inevitable epithet "but I was pissed and/or stoned" he would be shattered at the direction society has gone in the +50years since his death.

If you then suggested the situation would improve with open slather on drugs he wouldn't know whether to laugh or cry.

But you won't think, you'll just trawl the 'net for another out of context quote and say the above is just "emotive". But you've seen the news, so tell me which part of the above is untrue...and why.

I've got no problem with folks getting quietly mulled up at home, or relieving pain/medical issues etc but making all drugs freely available is a recipe for disastater. To use Einsteins social opinions from an age of comparatively high personal responsibilty and conformism (don't let that hair get past your collar young fella) to justify actions in an age of "I'm a victim" personal irresponsibility is non-sensical.

Yup, Einstein was smart alright, but most of us aren't, and therein lies the problem.

[Banditbandit]

Have a think about the last three words of the quote.........and come up with your own arguments instead of quoting out of context a physicist on matters totally unrelated to physics, who knew nothing of New Zealand culture, and drugs/policing in the 21st century.

He was a smart guy, but he died 55 years ago.....he was born in the 19th century and you're using his social theories as arguments in the 21st century? The most "advanced" governments he saw were under Truman and Eisenhower for chrissake. We're talking before Rosa Parks sat in the "wrong" part of the bus. If you wanna return to 50's type values then go right ahead. But how's about you "courageously" use your intelligence to have a wee think about what Einstein actually lived through and explain how the out of context quotes you keep regurgitating apply to New Zealand.

If you could show him around the party spots and hospitals on a friday/saturday night and the the news reports of guys feeding kittens to their dog, or putting toddlers in dryers or just plain bashing them, or deliberately drivng their car into a crowd of people etc etc then followed by the inevitable epithet "but I was pissed and/or stoned" he would be shattered at the direction society has gone in the +50years since his death.

If you then suggested the situation would improve with open slather on drugs he wouldn't know whether to laugh or cry.

But you won't think, you'll just trawl the 'net for another out of context quote and say the above is just "emotive". But you've seen the news, so tell me which part of the above is untrue...and why.

I've got no problem with folks getting quietly mulled up at home, or relieving pain/medical issues etc but making all drugs freely available is a recipe for disastater. To use Einsteins social opinions from an age of comparatively high personal responsibilty and conformism (don't let that hair get past your collar young fella) to justify actions in an age of "I'm a victim" personal irresponsibility is non-sensical.

Yup, Einstein was smart alright, but most of us aren't, and therein lies the problem.

EEeeeuuuu .. who got your tits in a tangle (Adolf !!! Control your attack dog ...)

You're right tho' ... Ol' Albert would be horrifed at the state of Western Society today .. and many many people would argue that his social opinions (and his values) are just as relevant today as they were back then ...

[mashman]

EEeeeuuuu .. who got your tits in a tangle (Adolf !!! Control your attack dog ...)

You're right tho' ... Ol' Albert would be horrifed at the state of Western Society today .. and many many people would argue that his social opinions (and his values) are just as relevant today as they were back then ...

Indeed... turns out old Abe felt the same way... musta been something in the water.

"Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."

Abraham Lincoln (1809-65), U.S. President.

[scumdog]

EEeeeuuuu .. who got your tits in a tangle (Adolf !!! Control your attack dog ...)

You're right tho' ... Ol' Albert would be horrifed at the state of Western Society today .. and many many people would argue that his social opinions (and his values) are just as relevant today as they were back then ...

Touring over a few States in the US at the mo (avoiding larger down-town areas like the plague though) and it struck me how immature NZ is as a general rule re behaviour etc - there's shit-loads of stuff that we see (and put with) in NZ that I did NOT see here - and all the Yanks I met were equally as friendly and hospitable as any Kiwi in my part of NZ.

Things that tickled me:
In Walmart the notices state you will be asked for I.D. if you look under 40!!!
Cockies use old tyres hung on their fences with the words 'NO TRESPASSING' as signs.

Anyhoo, I guess we had better get back on topic eh...

[candor]

Prohibition causes a lot of crashes - paranoics run to protect stash, Police chase oft impaired drivers - bang splat - clean up the bongs, pipes, blood and bone. No brains all round from pollies down (or is it up). Undertakers appreciate prohibition, it stops us issuing opioid addicts with narcan to save their lives in times of Overdose, amongst other discriminations thats quite serious to my mind. Prohibition does not inhibit use making it absurd.

[Hinny]

Touring over a few States in the US at the mo .

I read recently that California is considering decriminalisng Cannabis use.

[Hinny]

Interesting. Competition number 2!
Maybe we could start a KB competition.

[mashman]

Interesting. Competition number 2!
Maybe we could start a KB competition.

Pot Idol

[scumdog]

I read recently that California is considering decriminalisng Cannabis use.

It already has for broken-arses.

[scissorhands]

It already has for broken-arses.

Yes. USA forced the world to follow its prohibtion bandwagon circus, and is now again going to coerce other countries to once again do the same, this time with decriminalisation.

Always money is the motivation for their actions, not people or ethical considerations.

Word up dude

[scumdog]

Yes. USA forced the world to follow its prohibtion bandwagon circus, and is now again going to coerce other countries to once again do the same, this time with decriminalisation.

Always money is the motivation for their actions, not people or ethical considerations.

Word up dude

So...how are did they 'force' these countries into prohibition??

And what are they doing to 'coerce' the same countries into decriminalisation??

How does the USA benefit from NZ (for instance) doing ANYTHING?