Your ideas please

[MSTRS:Me]

As a non-racer (marshal), I'd like to see timed races as well.
With the mix of classes within each race category, the longer the time, though, can lead to anxious moments with lapping, so can I suggest the following...

10 mins scrub/qualifying
Race 1 15 mins
Lunch
Race 2 15 mins
Race 3 could extend to 20 mins, if the day has gone smooth.

Bike pickup every other race, or whilst ambos are out

[wharfy]

I think the idea of timed races ( for timid racers - like me ) has some merit.
Two longer races provides more track time (less "overhead" on warm up, griding up, return after chequered flag etc.)
I look forward to being lapped by Choppa and Scketchy etc.

At < 2 min per lap for the fast guys thats approx 11 laps for F1 & F2 and maybe 7 or 8 for some of the slower classes.

So when 20 min is up flag marshal waits for lead bike to come onto start/finish straight then give them the white flag and everyone is on the last lap ?

Sound reasonable to me

[CHOPPA]

As a non-racer (marshal), I'd like to see timed races as well.
With the mix of classes within each race category, the longer the time, though, can lead to anxious moments with lapping, so can I suggest the following...

10 mins scrub/qualifying
Race 1 15 mins
Lunch
Race 2 15 mins
Race 3 could extend to 20 mins, if the day has gone smooth.

Bike pickup every other race, or whilst ambos are out

3 15min races would be 3x more racing then we got last round so that would be plenty. If they were gonna do 3 races have the last race 10mins but put the F2 or F3 last and put classes then cant cross enter near the start like streetstock and F1 so we have a fair shot at 3 races instead of us doing 2 and the other guys doing 5!

[Str8 Jacket]

If they were gonna do 3 races have the last race 10mins but put the F2 or F3 last and put classes then cant cross enter near the start like streetstock and F1 so we have a fair shot at 3 races instead of us doing 2 and the other guys doing 5!

Now that's a good idea!

[Ivan]

there is also a problem of facing walls etc If I can remember rightly have to admit it was a few years back now and my mind was abit a woll during that time but I specifaclly remember Manfield saying it will never be reversed again

[Ronin]

3 15min races would be 3x more racing then we got last round so that would be plenty. If they were gonna do 3 races have the last race 10mins but put the F2 or F3 last and put classes then cant cross enter near the start like streetstock and F1 so we have a fair shot at 3 races instead of us doing 2 and the other guys doing 5!

Remember you have to deal with a 4:30 cut off for racing.

6 classes @ 15 min = 90 mins to get all classes through with one race each. Thats 270 minutes of race time at 3 races each.

Clock time so far... 4.5 hours

Add to that 6 classes scrub in at 10 minutes = 1 hour

Clock time 5.5 hours

Add 5 minutes to each class race for warm up/down track exit and times that by 3.

Clock time 6.95 hours

Lunch 30 minutes

7.45 hours... call it 8

Thats not allowing for Crash/ Ambo/ Recovery/Red flag/ Riders who can't be assed getting to the grid on time.

Thats the simple version of the process for working out the timing for the meeting and there is a great deal missing. The first time I sat through it my head hurt.

Oh and I forgot when working the above out that it was long track so the warm up figure is waaaaaay out.



NOTE: The above is me showing a simple example of how the race timings can be figured and have nothing to do with the format of the next meeting nor the opinion of The Vic Club who do such a great job working it all out.

Honestly, if you ever have a chance to see what goes on in the back ground you would have a new appreciation for it all.

[Deano]

Bike pickup every other race, or whilst ambos are out

The only issue with that is people who have cross entered and might miss out on their 'second' class.

[MSTRS:Me]

The only issue with that is people who have cross entered and might miss out on their 'second' class.

Um.... don't crash in your first race?

[cowboyz]

would there be a big objection to using the short track to warm up to grid? How much time would that save?

[MSTRS:Me]

would there be a big objection to using the short track to warm up to grid? How much time would that save?

Using the slip road wouldn't be enough warmup time. And using the 'standard' track could prove confusing for some. We don't want convergence issues over the back. Or anywhere, for that matter.

[CHOPPA]

there is also a problem of facing walls etc If I can remember rightly have to admit it was a few years back now and my mind was abit a woll during that time but I specifaclly remember Manfield saying it will never be reversed again

The long track is bloody dangerous imo when you come back on to normal track if you crash you will be straight into the wall!!

Remember you have to deal with a 4:30 cut off for racing.

6 classes @ 15 min = 90 mins to get all classes through with one race each. Thats 270 minutes of race time at 3 races each.

Clock time so far... 4.5 hours

Add to that 6 classes scrub in at 10 minutes = 1 hour

Clock time 5.5 hours

Add 5 minutes to each class race for warm up/down track exit and times that by 3.

Clock time 6.95 hours

Lunch 30 minutes

7.45 hours... call it 8

Thats not allowing for Crash/ Ambo/ Recovery/Red flag/ Riders who can't be assed getting to the grid on time.

Thats the simple version of the process for working out the timing for the meeting and there is a great deal missing. The first time I sat through it my head hurt.

Oh and I forgot when working the above out that it was long track so the warm up figure is waaaaaay out.



NOTE: The above is me showing a simple example of how the race timings can be figured and have nothing to do with the format of the next meeting nor the opinion of The Vic Club who do such a great job working it all out.

Honestly, if you ever have a chance to see what goes on in the back ground you would have a new appreciation for it all.

Good call, 2x 20min sessions would be a good test of endurance

[CHOPPA]

What if we combine F2 and F1? and just say no cross entry for this round

[MSTRS:Me]

Remember you have to deal with a 4:30 cut off for racing.

I think (prolly wrong) that can extend to 5pm. But in winter, that is dangerous due to bad light.
I took a stab at times, without adding it all up. You are right, in so far as at the end of the day some miss out.
The idea is always? to have each rider get 4 sessions (Qual, Race 1, 2, 3) - forgetting for a moment that some cross-enter - so maybe 15 min races are too long. Perhaps 10 mins would be more realistic?

[Ronin]

I think (prolly wrong) that can extend to 5pm. But in winter, that is dangerous due to bad light.
I took a stab at times, without adding it all up. You are right, in so far as at the end of the day some miss out.
The idea is always? to have each rider get 4 sessions (Qual, Race 1, 2, 3) - forgetting for a moment that some cross-enter - so maybe 15 min races are too long. Perhaps 10 mins would be more realistic?

Pretty certain that no matter which way you dice it 4 sessions at a one day on the long track is a big ask.

Best Format I can think of is 1 enduro of say 20ish and then a 10 minute sprint

That way we are only staging the bikes twice on the grid so cuts down dramaticly on the associated race time if you know what I mean.

[CHOPPA]

I think (prolly wrong) that can extend to 5pm. But in winter, that is dangerous due to bad light.
I took a stab at times, without adding it all up. You are right, in so far as at the end of the day some miss out.
The idea is always? to have each rider get 4 sessions (Qual, Race 1, 2, 3) - forgetting for a moment that some cross-enter - so maybe 15 min races are too long. Perhaps 10 mins would be more realistic?

Im sure people would be happier to have 2 races even at 15mins then have 2 races at 10mins because there wasnt enough time for the last race