Your ideas please

[Shaun]

More expensive to hire as well? Just flag it save the hassle and run the short track

Again I agree with you dude, this is getting sick

[discodan]

Keep the long track. It may be a bit rough but the short track gets pretty dull on smaller bikes after a while.

[Ivan]

Again I agree with you dude, this is getting sick

I do have to admit that last round there I was shitting myself coming back onto the old circuit just for the fact if you lost it there theres nothing between you and a concrete wall

As said a air fence would be brilliant we havent had any crashes there that I know of but you dont want your first one to be a bad one

[slowpoke]

Glad I can't make it so I can sort of think about it dispassionately.

As said previously that left hander back onto the old track is the first time I noticed that blardy concrete wall, it was a fairly sobering realisation at at the time.

As far as race format you have to make a decision about who you are going to appeal to: spectators or riders. Spectators are bored shitless by longer races, whereas riders seem to prefer them. We simply don't have the depth of field to support a close longer race, the field stretches out and it's just a case of waiting for someone to fall off or the race to finish to finalise the finishing order.

And the race order should at least favour those who can't cross enter. A lousy $20 to sit on the same grid as someone who's paid $100 shouldn't gain you equal weight and the race order should not be formated in favour of cross entrants. For $20 you should be grateful of the chance to enter another class, not cry foul because you are finding that second class a lil' difficult.

Looking at the last round, I would have got 15 odd laps (and they are odd when I'm riding) for over a hundy $$$. It makes it kinda hard to justify when I can do a track/test day for a similar amount and get half a dozen sessions of doing that amount in every single session. I wasn't home at the time but if I was I would have been a non-starter as a result, and that's another hundy less in the pocket of Vic Club. I know of at least two other entrants who didn't show because of exactly that reason.

Some basic rejigging is required, because as it stands I'd rather save my pennies and put them towards National/Street meetings/travel where I get better value for my money.

[scracha]

As said previously that left hander back onto the old track is the first time I noticed that blardy concrete wall, it was a fairly sobering realisation at at the time.

Think we all agree on that. Watched Johnny Wanger smack into it pretty hard. At the very least it needs a few metres of kiitty litter.

As far as race format you have to make a decision about who you are going to appeal to: spectators or riders. Spectators are bored shitless by longer races, whereas riders seem to prefer them. We simply don't have the depth of field to support a close longer race, the

I enjoy both, however it should be said that most of the positions are decided by about lap 4.

Realistically, spectators are not worth considering as our primary focus (free entry and there's still only a handful of them*). Our own enjoyment and industry/sponsors should be our focus. For that we need video coverage, photographers, rider profiles and good write-ups in the press (not just motorcycle magazines either).

Some basic rejigging is required, because as it stands I'd rather save my pennies and put them towards National/Street meetings/travel where I get better value for my money.

That's a bit harsh. Maybe it's just me but 3 x 5 laps RACING is much better than going round in circles all day on a track day.

Street meeting good value for money....were you at Paeroa or Wanganui ?

A few folk have mentioned combining F1 and F2 and giving them more races. Not sure why this hasn't been tried at club level. Would certainly give guys like Chopper a fuck load more tracktime and incentive to get guys like Stroudy and Shirrifs at more than just the last couple of rounds.

Lunchtime:
Prize giving (previous round)
Raffle(s)
Slowish Pillion laps by pre-selected "sensible" riders (subject to gear, indemnity form....)...slow to us but would scare bejeezus out of 90% of spectators.
Vote for best photo (previous round) etc. that sort of shit would be good.
Invite go cart club or summit...$hit...I dunno?


Moan at track hire peeps to get decent food. Moan at track hire peeps to get the cars to fuck on the previous days test day (from purely economic point of view it makes no sense to have 20 bikes waiting on 1 or 2 bloody cars). I'm sure they'd tell me to fuck off if I was the only bike the day prior to a car event.

*that's not to say there's not a fuck load more we could do for them.

[Ivan]

we used to have go carts they could fly impressive lap times aye

[Kickaha]

A few folk have mentioned combining F1 and F2 and giving them more races. Not sure why this hasn't been tried at club level.

Down here they run "senior class" which is basically F1 and F2 together

we used to have go carts they could fly impressive lap times aye

Bike guys generally don't like the Karts as they make the bikes look a bit slow

[Biggles08]

Sidecar guys generally don't like the Karts as they make the sidecars look a bit slow

there fixed it for you Kickaha....thank me later

[White trash]

I think working out how many laps each class should race based on time on the track is a good idea BUT NOT A RACE BASED SOLELY ON TIME. In other words, as a racer I would like to know before the race how many laps I have to formulate some sort of attack plan while on the track. I didn't like R2 (I think) where it was only based on time and we had to work out how many laps that was going to be...spent half my time watching for the white flag....then I got shown it twice in one race!!!

Its not that hard to work out laps each class should run before the meeting based on how long that class takes to do a lap.

Personally I would rather x2 longer races in each class as opposed to x3 shorter races...this helps improve race craft as you have more time to play on the track with your competition.

You can't calculate how many laps you can do at 1:10 per lap in ten minutes?

[Biggles08]

You can't calculate how many laps you can do at 1:10 per lap in ten minutes?

nope...dumb-arse I am

the point is, without a fixed lap count things like being shown the white flag twice can happen....comprehendo?

[MSTRS:Me]

the point is, without a fixed lap count things like being shown the white flag twice can happen....comprehendo?

Nah! The Start/Finish guys show you the white to tell you that you need to up the pace to get a better placing. In your case, you probably didn't up the pace enough for their liking, so they thought they'd give you a second chance...

[wharfy]

Down here they run "senior class" which is basically F1 and F2 together

The Winter series on more than one occasion last year was oversubscribed (we are only allowed 35 on the grid)
in the F2 class people who didn't qualify got to race in clubman's.

The F1 class was also oversubscribed a couple of times, but no "superbikes" were bumped those that cross entered and didn't qualify got their $20 back (I believe).

I must say I enjoyed the bracket racing at the Sound of Thunder - where riders are grouped by lap time (a, b or c).

[flame]

Cheers for the chance for us to have a say Dee
Just my 2c worth. Or 1c as some may see it since Im back to being a 'newby' racer LOL....

Rather do the short track personally.
A) Less stress for the hard working organisers...
B) long track has that hidious concrete wall coming back into the sweeper which i believe is rediculously dangerous.....
C) we only ever get to practice on the 'short track'.....
D) Potentially takes too much time to get the crash crew/marshalls in and out etc.
E) And its not the Nats track.

I know many people love the long track, but we also LOVE track time. Short track means potentially more ride time

oh year........and BRING IN A BEARS CLASS.......gotta give them Euro jockey F1 boys a bit more time to entertain us

[Drew]

Only running the short track means an entire series on the same seven corner though. The long track mixes it up.

It does mean fewer starts, but that can also mean more seat time because of less gridding up.

It's only been recent times that I've heard any of this safety talk about where the back circuit rejoins the back straight, and I dont see the issue. Exiting the sweeper onto the front straight is far more dangerous given the white lines painted on the track, the speed, and if it does go tits up you're just as likely gonna hit the end of a wall rather than hitting a flat surface at quite a steep angle, like you would where the tracks meet.

And the long track has a nice soft landing if you're skilled enough to convert your bike into the cow paddock.

[Kickaha]

there fixed it for you Kickaha....thank me later

They actually make every class look slow

But also that was one problem with Manfield reversed is the decreasing radius corners wide entry tight exit

Best you don't ever come to Levels then

I dont really care to run it cause I just want to practice the national track and it wastes lots of time

E) And its not the Nats track.

I would think the majority of riders at these rounds wouldn't race Nationals anyway

the point is, without a fixed lap count things like being shown the white flag twice can happen....comprehendo?

Happened at least twice during the nationals this year, pretty sure they run a fixed lap count

I know many people love the long track, but we also LOVE track time. Short track means potentially more ride time

I would have thought even with doing less laps the amount of actual track time would work out the same because of doing longer laps?

Personally I think you're damn lucky you have the option of running the long track and having a bit of variation at different rounds instead of the same track each time