Linux vs Windows?

**Big Dave** · 2nd August 2010, 12:53

Originally Posted by avgas

However I would still recommend Mac's to new users - for the same reason my wife drives an automatic car.

The car doesn't recognise self-executable files?

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 2nd August 2010, 13:29

Originally Posted by Big Dave

Did you look at some of those 3D models - how do you reckon it would deal?

It's all 1's and 0's to me...

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**avgas** · 2nd August 2010, 14:15

Originally Posted by Big Dave

The car doesn't recognise self-executable files?

Nah she just likes shiny things and doesn't care if its not powerful

**Gremlin** · 2nd August 2010, 15:19

Originally Posted by Big Dave

The car doesn't recognise self-executable files?

I sure hope you didn't try filling the computer with petrol

**jafar** · 2nd August 2010, 15:35

I had a pc with a defective motherboard a few years ago, replaced the motherboard & tried to run it on windows, it just didn't want to know so I sought out a mate who knows a bit about computers & we installed Mandrake Linux. The Linux system works just fine & is still in use today (8 years later). I use it to power a wireless LAN setup & for use as a desktop pc. I have most things I need on it & it shows no sign of any issues @ all. Anti virus software isn't required either as virus's are usually made to run in Windows, not Linux.
The Linux machine will power up faster than all but the latest Windows toys I have had & has never crashed or become slow either.
Not bad considering how it started out, I was given the machine as junk.

**Urano** · 3rd August 2010, 00:44

Originally Posted by Big Dave

I had a processor fail on a G5 too. Died just before its fifth birthday. It was good for about 20 crashes on the total.

ya, sure...
but don't now confuse a fucked hardware with an os instability.
if your cpu is gone there is no os at all that could ever work just fine.

my previous post was exactly to point out that of all the (rare) cases of system crash i've heard about, there was often involved an hardware failure, like a bad ram chip or a lighting...
your cpu is another similar.

on the contrary, your kernel panic experience is interesting and "something that matters" right because you said it was generated by a hard task request to the mac, without the hardware being involved.

if your cat pours coke and aspirin on the motherboard i'm going to think that the os is not so guilty...

**avgas** · 3rd August 2010, 01:02

Originally Posted by Urano

os instability.

Sorry for asking - but what do you count as unstable OS?
- Freezing?
- Error messages where all you can do is press an 'OK'?
- Random crashing?

As I have had these with every system - Admitably the Mac was the best at hiding it. But I swear I just about threw an imac out the window for "quacking" at me losing my photochop for the day.....for the third time in a row.

But then again I am very good a breaking things.

**Pixie** · 4th August 2010, 07:14

Download and read these:

http://ubuntu-manual.org/

http://www.ubuntupocketguide.com/download_main.html

Other info:

http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index

**Pixie** · 4th August 2010, 07:17

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

I´m not sure when anyone here tried the latest release of Ubuntu but it isn´t just for specialists anymore, once drivers are loaded the average user will never need to open a command line window for everyday use.

I'm using 10.04 now and agree totally.

Mom;order a free cd from here:

https://shipit.ubuntu.com/

It will arrive in about three weeks.You can initially run off the cd without installing anything on your hard drive.Then ,if you choose you can use WUBI to install Ubuntu as a large file within Windows.This is easy to uninstall if you decide you hate it.
After that you can create a dual boot system with Windows and Ubuntu and like me never use Windows again.
I'm not a geek so it can't be too difficult.

The screenshot below shows the application that you get most of the thousands of free software Apps through.never have to go searching for free software on the net again.

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As a final comment,the posters suggesting you go to the trouble of setting up a virtual machine to run Linux,obviously have no idea about the options available to try Ubuntu that are far simpler than doing that.

**Forest** · 4th August 2010, 10:17

Originally Posted by avgas

Sorry for asking - but what do you count as unstable OS?
- Freezing?
- Error messages where all you can do is press an 'OK'?
- Random crashing?

As I have had these with every system - Admitably the Mac was the best at hiding it. But I swear I just about threw an imac out the window for "quacking" at me losing my photochop for the day.....for the third time in a row.

Were you using Adobe Photoshop at the time?

In the last few years, Adobe has concentrated their application development resources onto the PC side of their business. The Mac versions of their professional apps are, quite frankly, riddled with bugs.

Don't judge the stability of the Mac by the stability of Adobe apps.

**Big Dave** · 4th August 2010, 10:27

Originally Posted by Forest

Were you using Adobe Photoshop at the time?

In the last few years, Adobe has concentrated their application development resources onto the PC side of their business. The Mac versions of their professional apps are, quite frankly, riddled with bugs.

.

None evident on my systems.
I did jump from CS2 to CS5 but all's sweet. inDesign even quits properly.
My versions of Photoshop have always been rock solid too.

The only bug I have at the moment is that Flash files sometimes make the cursor disappear (Why Job's knickers were twisted) and that Dreamweaver will crash if you go too fast with undo's on the CSS files.

**Forest** · 4th August 2010, 10:41

Originally Posted by Big Dave

None evident on my systems.
I did jump from CS2 to CS5 but all's sweet. inDesign even quits properly.
My versions of Photoshop have always been rock solid too.

The only bug I have at the moment is that Flash files sometimes make the cursor disappear (Why Job's knickers were twisted) and that Dreamweaver will crash if you go too fast with undo's on the CSS files.

"Riddled" may be too strong a word. But there's some really annoying bugs that shouldn't have made it past Adobe's QA team.

I expect that it depends on the workflow that's in use.

**avgas** · 4th August 2010, 10:51

Originally Posted by Forest

Were you using Adobe Photoshop at the time?
Don't judge the stability of the Mac by the stability of Adobe apps.

Actually had more issues with Safari and plugging almost anything into a mac.
I had horrible problems with Adobe stuff on the ol' imac's which was bizzare as it was at the time as this was when photochopping was best done on a mac.
Don't get me wrong I still believe that Apple make great stuff, and I will still recommend them to all my friends who are learning computers or don't need a windows pc, just simply saying to say they are bulletproof is like sticking your fingers in your ears and singing "La la la I cant hear you".
Something the dedicated mac fan boys do all too well.

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 4th August 2010, 10:57

Originally Posted by Forest

Don't judge the stability of the Mac by the stability of Adobe apps.

Same can be said for the PC... agreed... If the software application like 'Photoshop' or what ever is unstable or buggy or a file gets corupt... it can bring down the OS, and people will blame the OS first over blaming the actual app that is the cause of the crash...

Rememebr running a PC on linux, windows, BeOS, UniX, or even runing the MacOS on a PC (though technically it is on an emulation of the OS) or what ever OS the PC is running it is still a PC... Mac hardware has been made for Mac and gets overviewed by Mac before it gets its seal of approval... PC's every hardware manufacture can make and then they make a driver... *stable or not... conflicks with something else or not... compatitable or not... they don't care*

the driver you install for you new hardware device could easily cause a crash of the OS even when you are not using the device... people instantly blame the OS...

Since the days of Windows NT windows has been pretty stable... however the Win3x and Win9x family was only a GUI over DOS and the the problems casued the conversion of the binary code to from GUI (Windows), to DOS (the OS or kernel) to the binary the PC and then back for the feed back... since NT, Win2000, XP, Vista, Win7 this no longer happens... the the GUI is part of the OS and talks direct to the PC (technically speaking)

This caused all those blue screens of death that you don't see as often now... the DLL error which was the Dynamic Library file of instructions on what to convert to another language etc...

Now days you its the other way round you emulate DOS... hense why some older DOS apps struggle on a full windows system... where as in Win3x and Win9x you were in DOS

I remember my friend when Win95 first arrived on the scene he said I am not putting that on my computer... the way he described it was it was held together with paper clips, blue tac and chewing and a lot of luck and coffee... (he has only just upgraded to XP... been using straight DOS since)

then again hes a geek...

History lesson over...