Linux vs Windows?

[Brian d marge]

Hah, only scrubs pay for Windows, MSDN and MSDNAA supremacy. Speaking of which I have a few spare copies of Windows 7 Pro.
How long did it take to set it up once it was installed? Including drivers for everything, WINE and installing the basic software that you use on a daily basis etc.

Installation of an OS isn't only the time it takes to put it from disc onto your hard drive, else people wouldn't think twice about formatting.



What is this? 1999? Last I had of either was Windows ME.

You can't use the same arguments AFTER they're a non-issue.
Else I'll accuse Linux of not having a GUI and still being keyboard only, and running next to no software. WINE hasn't been around forever.

Anyway, it doesn't happen to Ubuntu because it doesn't run the hardware in the first place. Linux still has daily issues with getting Wireless running and GPU drivers for all manufacturers.

Then on top of that you either have to run Linux native software, which is next to none and garbage, or WINE it which is usually hit and miss.

gees when was the last time u used Linux , I haven't used wine , well once or twice but basically don't and I have a high end work station for my cad CAE and CFD

As for next to none???? well
As for set up time , twenty min including software ( included ) ,,,wireless all automatic no probs
Stephen

[SMOKEU]

That's also part of the problem, you're comparing the latest Ubuntu to XP, a 9 year old OS. Compare it to Windows 7, because if someones trying to decide between buying Windows, or downloading Linux, why would they buy XP?

Hell you may as well say you couldn't find drivers for Windows 3.1.

Compare 9 year old Ubuntu(didn't exist, Ubuntu first came out in 2004, could at least compare Ubuntu 4) to Windows XP.

Or compare the latest Ubuntu to Windows 7.

When comparing XP to 7, I've found XP is more stable.

When comparing 7 to Ubuntu 10.04, Ubuntu is still much more stable.

[Suntoucher]

When comparing XP to 7, I've found XP is more stable.

When comparing 7 to Ubuntu 10.04, Ubuntu is still much more stable.

What version of Windows 7 were you running?

But anyway, you were going to show me how Windows is consistently unstable. Like I said, you can try any of the computers in my household. Or come into AUT, the library has bloated, crap filled Windows XP installed, if you could make anything BSOD it would be them.

gees when was the last time u used Linux , I haven't used wine , well once or twice but basically don't and I have a high end work station for my cad CAE and CFD

As for next to none???? well
As for set up time , twenty min including software ( included ) ,,,wireless all automatic no probs
Stephen

So you have used WINE?

What operating system do you use on your high end workstation?

Impressive about the install time.

Why don't you use Linux on your high end workstation?

I mean, based on the above it's amazing in comparison to Windows and does everything, so I don't see why you wouldn't use it on all of your computers bar none.

[SMOKEU]

What version of Windows 7 were you running?

Ultimate X64.

Over the years I've used Windows 95, 98, 2000, ME, XP and recently I've started using 7.
All of those Windows OSs have been very disappointing in comparison to the reliability of Ubuntu.
Don't blame my hardware either.

[Suntoucher]

Ultimate X64.

Over the years I've used Windows 95, 98, 2000, ME, XP and recently I've started using 7.
All of those Windows OSs have been very disappointing in comparison to the reliability of Ubuntu.
Don't blame my hardware either.

Did you purchase or download it?

Why aren't you using Linux in which case?

But yeah, you said you'd show me how Windows(the OS, not a single computer) BSODs daily, but you seem to be ignoring that now that I've actually said yes, show me.

And I would never blame hardware, was running Win 7 Pro on my old laptop, HP NC6220. Pentium M 740, 512mb of DDR2 533, GMA915. So hardware wouldn't be an issue unless it's faulty.

[SMOKEU]

Did you purchase or download it?

Why aren't you using Linux in which case?

But yeah, you said you'd show me how Windows(the OS, not a single computer) BSODs daily, but you seem to be ignoring that now that I've actually said yes, show me.

Some versions I have used are bought legit, some are downloaded. I have not found any difference in stability between a good downloaded version and a genuine store bought copy.

I am using Ubuntu, but since I can't play all the games I want on Ubuntu I'm forced to use Windows as well.

My question is, that if an open source OS can be this good, why can't Microsoft at least match the stability of Ubuntu?

I didn't say I experience the BSOD daily, I'm saying that my computer randomly restarts itself several times per day, and it's not a hardware issue. How do you want me to show you?

[Pixie]

From my point of view, I see it most clearly as:

A) Anyone can use Linux, Windows and Mac OSX regardless of skill.
B) All three are easy and simple to use, whilst having more advanced stuff for the more tech heavy. Anyone can get started off the bat just as quickly on all three.
C) All three crash, regardless of what you say, although I will claim Linux crashes less.
D) Windows has more virii and malware. Plain and simple, but that's a market share thing, rather than a software thing.
E) All three are insecure, can be hacked and have virii. Although Windows has more of the latter.

I use Windows exclusively and won't touch the others because:
A) Far greater driver support
B) Far greater market share(almost all), usually I wouldn't care about this, but in the case of a platform it means.
C) Far greater software support.
D) I can go to any shop, build my own computer with specs of my choosing using off the shelf components, install Windows 7 and straight away all the drivers are up and working(albeit I update to the latest GPU drivers)

To me, the convenience of driver and software support is worth the risk of virii and malware because with all the added security features these days it's actually the most secure OS, it's just the most targeted at the same time and I have yet to pick something up myself(I don't visit dodgy websites and download dodgy stuff).

Almost any software you'll find is made for Windows, and it's effortless finding any software to do exactly what I want it to do, install without fuss and work as it is supposed to.

Windows: It just works.

Thanks for the headsup,Bill,
btw I love the way you give half of those obscene profits to charity

[Gremlin]

I'm saying that my computer randomly restarts itself several times per day, and it's not a hardware issue.

Computer (right click) > Properties > Advanced system settings > Advanced tab
Startup and Recovery: Settings > unclick Automatically restart

You'll disable automatic restart for BSOD etc, and hence able to see the BSOD, which is actually very useful, then you can trouble shoot the problem.

Other issues with restarts, some motherboards needed a BIOS update (restarted on the hour every hour), PSU, etc.

[Suntoucher]

Some versions I have used are bought legit, some are downloaded. I have not found any difference in stability between a good downloaded version and a genuine store bought copy.

I am using Ubuntu, but since I can't play all the games I want on Ubuntu I'm forced to use Windows as well.

My question is, that if an open source OS can be this good, why can't Microsoft at least match the stability of Ubuntu?

I didn't say I experience the BSOD daily, I'm saying that my computer randomly restarts itself several times per day, and it's not a hardware issue. How do you want me to show you?

So it was a pirated copy of Windows 7, wasn't it. I've seen huge jumps in stability difference as I was using a cracked version as well, until I got an MSDN account and now run legit Win 7 Ultimate.

Yeah, you did.

Except for the almost daily BSOD and random restarts several times per day, none of which happen with Ubuntu on the same hardware.

Like I said, AUT is available with plenty of computers with public access. All running XP with crap hardware and ridiculous bloat as it needs to support every student's needs, so it should be extra easy.

You're not FORCED to use Windows, you choose to use it because it offers you something Linux doesn't.

Well it technically does now(Steam now has Linux support) but it plays terribly because of the Linux drivers. Much like it also does on Mac.

If Open Source is that good, why doesn't it have 94% market share?

[Brian d marge]

Why don't you use Linux on your high end workstation?

I mean, based on the above it's amazing in comparison to Windows and does everything, so I don't see why you wouldn't use it on all of your computers bar none.

Sorry for the want of a comma my meaning was lost
I do use Linux , on my workstation , Calculix , Open Foam, Varicad , and Blender
I used wine to look at a packet shaping software which was and exe file .

but its not my money , so I dont care , try using Catia , or or any of the other commercial software's and see how much the licence is
beyond my pocket I can tell you .

all good here , carry on

Stephen

[SMOKEU]

If Open Source is that good, why doesn't it have 94% market share?

It's because retailers can't really make money off selling open source software. These days, every cunt is trying to rip every other cunt off, so retailers can make a fair bit of a mark up when selling software.
Most people also don't really know anything about Linux because they've never used it before, so given the option the majority of people will choose Windows over Linux because that's what they've been using for the past 15 years and they don't know any different.

[Suntoucher]

Sorry for the want of a comma my meaning was lost
I do use Linux , on my workstation , Calculix , Open Foam, Varicad , and Blender
I used wine to look at a packet shaping software which was and exe file .

but its not my money , so I dont care , try using Catia , or or any of the other commercial software's and see how much the licence is
beyond my pocket I can tell you .

all good here , carry on

Stephen

Fair enough, I'd have to say you're actually the first person I've met to have multiple computers, run Linux on all of them and have nothing to do with anything Windows, including Windows software.

Good work, competition is what the world needs because in the end the consumers win. Lack of competition drives up prices and hurts innovation.

It's because retailers can't really make money off selling open source software. These days, every cunt is trying to rip every other cunt off, so retailers can make a fair bit of a mark up when selling software.
Most people also don't really know anything about Linux because they've never used it before, so given the option the majority of people will choose Windows over Linux because that's what they've been using for the past 15 years and they don't know any different.

It's irrelevant on whether the operating system is Open Source or not.

Every Dick Smith sells Ubuntu distros for $5 each, so they're definitely out in the shops. And retailers make a lot more off the software itself rather than the Operating System, developers just don't make software for Linux like they do Windows. If there was an MS Office for Linux, I can bet you it would sell(get pirated) quite well per capita(just terribly in profits compared to Windows and Mac OSX because you guys have 1% market share).

Microsoft Office is the major Office suite available, and it's expensive as anything. Open Office gets quite a bit of publicity and word of mouth, but everything falls back of to Microsoft even though OOO is free. I personally used it and found it comparatively abominable.

Given the option, people will choose free over paid unless it offers value for money. Dell offers Linux computers yet people still choose Windows. So it can't be claimed that OEMs don't put Linux on shop computers.

Heh, gave you a method of showing me how Windows BSODs daily(or even at all, taking a regular computer and making it BSOD once) and you're back to ignoring your claim.

Care to address my other points? Or just the one you think can find fault with.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Computers suck...

[Suntoucher]

Computers suck...

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[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Microsoft Office is the major Office suite available, and it's expensive as anything. Open Office gets quite a bit of publicity and word of mouth, but everything falls back of to Microsoft even though OOO is free. I personally used it and found it comparatively abominable.

Well the main reason MS Office wins here is marketing, and that because most people already have it and have been using it thaey don't want to change... Even though OOo is compatible but only for the basic as soon as you start putting in the heavy macros and stuff... then OOo hasn't a show of being compatible until MS opens its file format fully... and the chances of that happening are slighty less than zero...

Those that start of in OOo have a better probably will never go to MS Office... I use MS office at work and OOo at home

Given the option, people will choose free over paid unless it offers value for money. Dell offers Linux computers yet people still choose Windows. So it can't be claimed that OEMs don't put Linux on shop computers.

See above people can't be bothered learning another system and way of doing things been using Windoze for 15 years why change... most people look at the short term its actually going to cost a business to change in time and training of the new OS and system... but don't look in the long run that they will save...

Many EU countries bit the dust a few years back and swithed to Linux while short term it cost in th elong run they are now saving money.

Has nothing to do with how good or bad the OS or software is at present it has to do with what people are use to using... and that is slowly changing... my boss now uses OOo at home and said will probably slowly switch all to OOo at work... as it will meet our needs... so attitudes and people opening up for a bit of a change is slowly happening (when I first started here would have been no chance of that... )

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Wasn't quoting anybody... just stating a fact...