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Thread: The Obama deception, HQ full length version! Fact or fiction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    You should ask Mashman for some lessons on consipracy theories.
    You're no fun.
    Sorry about that! (Sigh ... must try harder next time)

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    Well I just took the time to read up on the 5 options being offered.

    Proportional Representation is what we need to change our country, its the only system that lets me vote based on both short term and long term issues. For example I can vote for fiscally responsible National in the electorate, but Green for the party vote so that they have some chance of influencing and effecting the change that's needed to address the issues of tomorrow. Under any other system a vote for Green is likely a throw away vote.

    STV strikes me as unfair because it promotes voting for the popular choice. If you back the winner, you have a chance of having your vote counted twice. Also they don't tell you which votes they re-distribute. Under this system not all votes are equal. Also the multi representitive electorates mean that town votes can out weigh rural votes. STV would be a fairer system if the 2nd count was the redistribution of the eliminated candidates votes rather than the extra votes of a successful candidate.

    Preferential voting is inherently fair as it requires a candidate to actually be wanted by more than half the people they are supposed to represent. Unfortunately it lacks the advantages of Proportional Representation.

    FPP is a crock, but unfortunately it also underpins both MMP and SM as in both of the Proportional Representation models on offer the Electorate Seats are decided using FPP.

    All of this was gleemed from 20 mins of educating myself at http://www.referendum.org.nz/votingsystems

    Personally I don't think any of the alternatives on offer are better than MMP, though imho MMP underpinned by PV for the Electorate Seats would be a great system, as such I'll be voting for PV in the hope that they get the message and that the 2012 Independant review of MMP gives us the opportunity to use PV for the Electorate Seats under MMP.

    IF this happens I'd most likely then elect to stay with the new improved MMP.

    .... back in green and feeling great ....



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