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    wet paint..

    Got the monthly email from Megarider, and this is in it.. Thought it was an interesting read, and might be grounds for a petition to the government about the ongoing problem of road markings in the wet..

    I came across your website while doing some research on a problem I have
    been trying to highlight for a year now, with mixed success. Personally I
    have sorted out my issue, but I think there is a national problem that
    affects all road-users on two wheels.

    I have been riding bikes for 15 years, and never had problems with
    roadmarking paint until I arrived in NZ. Every biker you talk to has a near
    miss story, usually when applying the brakes in the wet. I had several
    heart stoppers near my previous home in West Auckland, until last November,
    on my new bike.

    I approached a stop sign, it was sunny but the road had a light coating of
    rain from earlier, and as I applied the front brake gently at under 10kph
    the front wheel skidded on the white lettering spelling (ironically) STOP.

    As you can imagine, I was furious, the damage was slight but I knew I had
    done nothing wrong and was not about to lose my no claims bonus or pay for
    it, so I took it up with the council.

    After trying to fob me off they came and inspected the site, then passed
    the buck to Transit. Transit tried to fob me off too, but they sent out a
    technician to assess the paint. I argued that if a rider could not safely
    apply brakes on the surface in any conditions then the system was
    inadequate and Transit was failing in their duty to the public. They spent
    some weeks reviewing it, then declined my claim, telling me to "adjust my
    riding style in the wet"!

    I went ballistic, and insisted on seeing the report. Contrary to my
    expectations the surveyor had agreed with me, stating there was no evidence
    of anything but careful driving. At this point I requested the
    specifications of the paint system under the Official Information Act, and
    found that it had not been applied in accordance with the document. This
    prompted another investigation, at which point I contacted the Minister for
    Transport pointing out the grave danger posed to NZ motorcyclists by
    inadequate road marking paint. Only recently a Wellington cyclist had died
    after skidding on such paint.

    Finally Transit admitted that their sub-contractor had not put non-skid
    granules in the paint, and paid for full repairs on my bike, and the
    Minister assured me that it was an isolated incident, and nationally there
    was no problem.

    I now live in Wellington, where the poor cyclist was killed by slippery
    white paint, and I can tell you quite categorically that as soon as it is
    wet the paint surface is as slippery as ice. There is a national problem on
    the roads, cyclists are at risk. In a car there is exactly the same loss of
    grip, but the other three wheels compensate. On two wheels we do not have
    that luxury.

    Something needs to be done. I have tried accessing information from
    Statistics NZ and ACC on causes of accidents, but they cannot give me it
    (or cannot be bothered trying). The insurance industry is aware of the
    problem, but do not feel there are enough accidents attributable to road
    markings to warrant the resources necessary to tackle the problem. The
    general opinion seems to be that as riders we are all aware of the risk and
    make a conscious effort to avoid road paint. Is this right? Just because it
    is common, should we stand for it?

    I suppose what annoys me is the fact that it is just a matter of
    maintenance.

    When applied properly, the road markings have sufficient grip for safe
    braking, but it wears off quickly as the glass particles become loose or
    are covered with debris. I cannot understand why a rubberised paint has not
    been developed similar to that used on marine decks, which maintains its
    grip as it wears down through the layers.

    It all comes down to cost, and no doubt the bean counters have decided that
    it is not worth spending millions to save a few injuries and the occasional
    death.

    My next port of call is the NZ motorcycle press. I hope that if I can get
    every biker who has been affected by the problem to harass Transit and
    their local MP's, something might get done. I would value your opinion.


    Just thought it was a good read..

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    Bloody oath that’s to true!

    Good read, would be nice to see the problem remedied, I even have problems in the dry on these damn lines up here especially at intersections, pisses me off when I am banked over and the back end just goes for a slide with minimal power put down, sometimes its my fault but not always.

    Wonder if this would come of anything with the roading budget, could put our tickets to good use.


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    Awesome topic... I agree... something should be done about this...
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    I have to agree that at the first sign of road the road signs are a real hazard.

    I'd also like to add the overbanding that's been done around Wellington as another problem for motorcyclists and cyclists. I'm sure that this is a quick and cheap way of repairing gaps in asphalt but I've had the odd front and rear wheel slip over these repairs. Perhaps I should start hassling the council.

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    Quote: "The general opinion seems to be that as riders we are all aware of the risk and make a conscious effort to avoid road paint. Is this right? Just because it is common, should we stand for it?"

    Well that's certainly true for me. Part of my commuting habit is to avoid riding on any painted surfaces, or any other surfaces that are likely to be slippery (e.g., the greasy middle bit before it's been thoroughly washed by rain) wherever possible. Unfortunately, this isn't always practicable.

    It would be more effective, I guess, if we all made a habit of writing to complain about any slippery paint, personhole covers on corners, etc. If the dribble of complaints became a barrage, and was accompanied by letters to the editor, or MPs, then I'm sure we could effect some improvements to the road surface.
    ... and that's what I think.

    Or summat.


    Or maybe not...

    Dunno really....


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    It would be a different story if the transport minister or other authoritative figure was a serious biker!

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    well If someone knows the addrss where we can launch a complain, please post it and we can all write / mail to them...

    I have always avoided the white marking on the road - even in dry weather as sometimes when u go over them, your bike sort of skids and feels wierd.... so better avoid it.

    Regards

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    but the other thing on that comment - when you stop at lights, stop/give way junctions etc, what's right across your path? doesn't matter what you do to avoid it, you'll ride on it at some point.. I bloody hate tippy toeing around paint. Like the idiots when the put arrows in the middle of the road on a corner! Bad enough you can't see the paint in dark conditions in the wet, then you see it when you're already on top of it and too late!!

    Do internet petitions count for anything? That way, we have the power of a thou or so KBers.. that's a start.. We can look into press notices/coverage etc too.
    Bike shops would probably be keen to help out too..

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    this guy needs a medal. Shame on us for been apathetic really.
    any help or support he needs Ill be there. Councils and the roading authority have to wake up.
    The other roading issue Id like to see cleaned up is road markings on road works and better sweeping of gravel after they have finished new road works.
    Make em liable!! then the bean counters can factor that in and I bet it will then get sorted.
    dont break your cake

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    Quote Originally Posted by badlieutenant
    this guy eed a edal. shame on us for been apathetic really.
    any help or support he needs Ill be there. Councils and the roading authority have to wake up.
    The other roading issue Id like to see cleaned up is road markings on road works and better sweeping of gravel after they have finished new road works.
    Make em liable!! then the bean counters can factor that in and I bet it will then get sorted.
    also a good point.. I laid my bike down after catching gravel three weeks after I bought it. I was pissed as to scuff the side up. I just let it go tho, but I should have gone after the council about it. Bit late now, but they should sweep up once in a while. Doesn't cost a whole heap to drive their giant vacuum cleaners around when they finish laying the roads

    fuk, my bro is still having problems with his broken leg 5 months after he crashed from sliding off the road from all the gravel that was slightly just off the side. He's going to quite possibly go back into hospital with it again, just cos the gravel was in the wrong place on the road. Can the council be liable for stuff like that? Don't want cash from it, just want it cleared up!!!

    Sort out the paint and the gravel on the roads!!!!!!!!!

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    Good on him whoever he is for having the nous to do something about it. We've all had a whinge about these problems over the years but done nothing. The idea that beaurocrats are infalilble seem to have been impressed on us for so long that we are beginning to believe it. In another thread I jokingly made the comment that they were leaving the sand out of the paint to save money. Seems I wasn't too far out

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    Quote Originally Posted by bugjuice
    Sort out the paint and the gravel on the roads!!!!!!!!!
    I reckon the solution would be to rip up the seal and make all the roads gravel, then there'd be no risk of getting 'caught out' by loose metal on the road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Skid
    I reckon the solution would be to rip up the seal and make all the roads gravel, then there'd be no risk of getting 'caught out' by loose metal on the road.
    sometimes we want to corner with both wheels inline tho.. or not be sprayed when following fellow bikers by bullet-like stones!
    I have a stone in my visor that nearly made it all the way thru. Just glad I had my visor down when it happened

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    Nah! This is a Bloody good post and top marks to the bloke!

    Another hazard is stopping on the bloody markings at the lights and trying to get friggin traction when you take off! lets face it if an underbraked under powered shitter like the Guzzi has problems god knows what grief the rest of you must suffer.

    It's not just the paint though! Roading contractors appear to be getting a bit bloody slap dash (probably $$ driven by govt and council) all round!

    The problem is.. If they recoqnise the problem and it turns out to be cheaper to ban bikes than do a proper job of the road... um....

    Paul N

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