Questions you've never had an answer to.

**marie_speeds** · 16th August 2010, 16:24

Originally Posted by avgas

Yesssanno
Correct on the whole north to south thing. However magenetic north is still magnetic north - just the perception changes.
The same idea of misleading ideas can be pointed towards the power socket. The neutral often is not very neutral at all, and has the same "omphf" as the phase/active connection.

The magnetic north is actually different from the real north. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_declination

Take one bar magnetic that clearly has marked on it north and south and then put a compass next to it. Compass will point towards south pole of magnet. It is designed to follow magnetic lines of flux. But it's markings will tell you it is pointing "north".
The neutral is tied to earth at the star point of the berm transformer and at every installation on the multiple earth neutral system. It is there to carry the out of balance current in a star connected system. It does not have potential with respect to earth. The oomph that you suggest comes from disconnection of a neutral that is carrying return load current and in cases of main neutral into a house the oomph is from the backfeed of the street.

**slofox** · 16th August 2010, 16:27

Originally Posted by marie_speeds

Take one bar magnetic that clearly has marked on it north and south and then put a compass next to it. Compass will point towards south pole of magnet. It is designed to follow magnetic lines of flux. But it's markings will tell you it is pointing "north".
The neutral is tied to earth at the star point of the berm transformer and at every installation on the multiple earth neutral system. It is there to carry the out of balance current in a star connected system. It does not have potential with respect to earth. The oomph that you suggest comes from disconnection of a neutral that is carrying return load current and in cases of main neutral into a house the oomph is from the backfeed of the street.

clear as mud...

EDIT: Well the magnet bit I know. But the rest is a little convoluted for me...

**marie_speeds** · 16th August 2010, 16:45

Why don't men put the seat back down after they've been for a slash?

**marie_speeds** · 16th August 2010, 16:50

Originally Posted by slofox

clear as mud...

EDIT: Well the magnet bit I know. But the rest is a little convoluted for me...

LOL physics was one of my favourite subjects

**BoristheBiter** · 16th August 2010, 17:06

Originally Posted by marie_speeds

LOL physics was one of my favourite subjects

Then you would know it is + and - on a magnet and only called magnetic north because it is in the northern hemishpere when deaing with navagation. so in fact it should be magnetic Canada.

And that was my question why is north up and not down

**vindy500** · 16th August 2010, 17:23

Originally Posted by marie_speeds

Why don't men put the seat back down after they've been for a slash?

why dont women put it back up after they use it?

**marie_speeds** · 16th August 2010, 17:28

Originally Posted by vindy500

why dont women put it back up after they use it?

Ah the eternal debate that rages in many households lol

**marie_speeds** · 16th August 2010, 17:33

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

Then you would know it is + and - on a magnet and only called magnetic north because it is in the northern hemishpere when deaing with navagation. so in fact it should be magnetic Canada.

And that was my question why is north up and not down

But just maybe it is down and the whole universe is upside down and all human theories on it are completely screwed up.

**Edbear** · 16th August 2010, 17:38

Originally Posted by marie_speeds

But just maybe it is down and the whole universe is upside down and all human theories on it are completely screwed up.

May I suggest that "up" and "down" are terms applicable to the Earth's environment and are arbitrary in space? The terms "North" and "South" are also arbitrarily applied and not relevant to space and the position of the solar system, the galaxy and the Universe.

**slofox** · 16th August 2010, 17:38

Originally Posted by marie_speeds

But just maybe it is down and the whole universe is upside down and all human theories on it are completely screwed up.

Actually, it all comes from European arrogance. Obviously, as the "master race" (empire builders etc) they were "on top" weren't they? So "their" pole had to be the top one...even thought they are actually standing upside down...

**BoristheBiter** · 16th August 2010, 17:41

Originally Posted by slofox

Actually, it all comes from European arrogance. Obviously, as the "master race" (empire builders etc) they were "on top" weren't they? So "their" pole had to be the top one...even thought they are actually standing upside down...

can't see anything wrong with that.

**BoristheBiter** · 16th August 2010, 17:42

Originally Posted by marie_speeds

Ah the eternal debate that rages in many households lol

just remove it, the seat not the toilet, and remove all problems.

**MSTRS:Me** · 16th August 2010, 17:45

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

And that was my question why is north up and not down

Because all the print on the map would be upside down?

**BoristheBiter** · 16th August 2010, 17:46

Originally Posted by Edbear

May I suggest that "up" and "down" are terms applicable to the Earth's environment and are arbitrary in space? The terms "North" and "South" are also arbitrarily applied and not relevant to space and the position of the solar system, the galaxy and the Universe.

I think there are too many facts for this philosophical debate.
At least for KB anyway.