Physics: Life is a holograph

[Winston001]

Fascinating article on the substance of reality: http://www.globalone.tv/group/quantu...-a-holographic

The theory is that what we see is only part of a deeper connected Universe which is beyond our perception. It answers the well-known quantum puzzle of how a particle in one place can affect another extremely remote particle at the same instant.

It always pays to keep an open mind but this proposition answers a lot of questions about matter. Essentially everything is connected and information jumps from place to place. For example the human brain doesn't work in a logical sequence like a computer so why are we able to instantly bring up images - such as a zebra - when most of us rarely have anything to do with this animal.

Interesting.

[Okey Dokey]

The science is amazing, isn't it?

[Hans]

I have skimmed over the article and my first impression is that it's slightly misleading and factually inaccurate. I'll read it properly and post my somewhat informed opinion. I do find this subject fascinating.

[Hitcher]

If life is a holograph, then why does it hurt so much when one falls off one's motorcycle?

[Hans]

If life is a holograph, then why does it hurt so much when one falls off one's motorcycle?

It only hurts when the information plane and your particular reality intersect. The cost of such a crash is, however, not subject to common physics and seems to follow it's own rules.

[Hans]

Can't be bothered taking the whole article apart. I will, however, point out the errors in the introduction alone.


"In 1982 a remarkable event took place. At the University of Paris a research team led by physicist Alain Aspect performed what may turn out to be one of the most important experiments of the 20th century. You did not hear about it on the evening news. In fact, unless you are in the habit of reading scientific journals you probably have never even heard Aspect's name, though there are some who believe his discovery may change the face of science."
WRONG. THE EXPERIMENT TOOK PLACE IN 1980. THE PAPER DETAILING THE EXPERIMENT WAS PUBLISHED IN 1982.

"Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them. It doesn't matter whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart. "
BOLLOCKS. THE UPPER LIMIT FOR THIS "ACTION OVER DISTANCE" HAS NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED.

"Somehow each particle always seems to know what the other is doing. The problem with this feat is that it violates Einstein's long-held tenet that no communication can travel faster than the speed of light. Since traveling faster than the speed of light is tantamount to breaking the time barrier, this daunting prospect has caused some physicists to try to come up with elaborate ways to explain away Aspect's findings. But it has inspired others to offer even more radical explanations."
UTTER BOLLOCKS. INFORMATION CANNOT BE TRANSMITTED IN THIS WAY. UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE, THE SPEED OF LIGHT IS THE LIMIT FOR COMMUNICATION.

Make up your own minds on how reliable the rest of the article is. Not that it wouldn't be extremely interesting, if there was something to this basic theory.

[rainman]

Us Buddhists figured this out ages ago.

Oh, and so much for rugged individualism.

[Pixie]

Can't be bothered taking the whole article apart. I will, however, point out the errors in the introduction alone.


"In 1982 a remarkable event took place. At the University of Paris a research team led by physicist Alain Aspect performed what may turn out to be one of the most important experiments of the 20th century. You did not hear about it on the evening news. In fact, unless you are in the habit of reading scientific journals you probably have never even heard Aspect's name, though there are some who believe his discovery may change the face of science."
WRONG. THE EXPERIMENT TOOK PLACE IN 1980. THE PAPER DETAILING THE EXPERIMENT WAS PUBLISHED IN 1982.

"Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them. It doesn't matter whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart. "
BOLLOCKS. THE UPPER LIMIT FOR THIS "ACTION OVER DISTANCE" HAS NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED.

"Somehow each particle always seems to know what the other is doing. The problem with this feat is that it violates Einstein's long-held tenet that no communication can travel faster than the speed of light. Since traveling faster than the speed of light is tantamount to breaking the time barrier, this daunting prospect has caused some physicists to try to come up with elaborate ways to explain away Aspect's findings. But it has inspired others to offer even more radical explanations."
UTTER BOLLOCKS. INFORMATION CANNOT BE TRANSMITTED IN THIS WAY. UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE, THE SPEED OF LIGHT IS THE LIMIT FOR COMMUNICATION.

Make up your own minds on how reliable the rest of the article is. Not that it wouldn't be extremely interesting, if there was something to this basic theory.

The fact that entangled particles affect each other,by definition,implies that information was transferred.

Shrodinger's cat is still at the vet's

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Fascinating article on the substance of reality: http://www.globalone.tv/group/quantu...-a-holographic

The theory is that what we see is only part of a deeper connected Universe which is beyond our perception. It answers the well-known quantum puzzle of how a particle in one place can affect another extremely remote particle at the same instant.

It always pays to keep an open mind but this proposition answers a lot of questions about matter. Essentially everything is connected and information jumps from place to place. For example the human brain doesn't work in a logical sequence like a computer so why are we able to instantly bring up images - such as a zebra - when most of us rarely have anything to do with this animal.

Interesting.

saying that for ever... Matrix movies any one???? I mean come on...

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

If life is a holograph, then why does it hurt so much when one falls off one's motorcycle?

Safety protocols of the Holodeck have been switched off...

[Hans]

The fact that entangled particles affect each other,by definition,implies that information was transferred.

Shrodinger's cat is still at the vet's

So far we can only observe the changes in the state of these entangled particles-not cause them. In other words: At the moment it cannot be used to transmit information at FTL speeds. As for information on the state of the particles travelling FTL, it doesn't matter because we can't observe that information. And you know how important the role of the observer is in relativistic physics, right?

[Hans]

To elaborate: If you can't observe something, you can't put it in a frame of reference. So speed becomes irrelevant. At least in relativistic physics-which is exactly the branch that forbids faster-than-light-just-about-everything.

[avgas]

Hmmmm recognizing things we don't deal with.
We are taught at a young age to recognize many things - most of which we won't deal with.
Zebra is a common example - and a good one. You will always remember a zebra for a very simple reason
ITS A BIT STRIPEY FUCKING HORSE

You remember a Giraffe or an elephant for the same reason.
Its is though association that you make similar conclusions later in life - this is why you know a horse doesn't have stripes - but your pretty sure the 2 are related. Note robots are only now just getting to this stage. Honda's latest little lovely can now determine that a table is not a chair.

This is why babies don't know what the fuck a zebra is, but does not explain how they know who mum is.......but the theory goes that the 2 have already known each other for 9 months.

Scary concept is the fact that no one has been able to explain what exists between the nucleus and the electrons, and apparently this is the only thing that gives us depth or volume.

Today young men on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather.

[Pixie]

So far we can only observe the changes in the state of these entangled particles-not cause them. In other words: At the moment it cannot be used to transmit information at FTL speeds. As for information on the state of the particles travelling FTL, it doesn't matter because we can't observe that information. And you know how important the role of the observer is in relativistic physics, right?

I never said "we".
Information was transferred

[avgas]

To elaborate: If you can't observe something, you can't put it in a frame of reference. So speed becomes irrelevant. At least in relativistic physics-which is exactly the branch that forbids faster-than-light-just-about-everything.

Lovely so this is all based on perception.
Nice to know we have such a solid baseline of reference
dont tell the blind people!!!