Open letter to Helen Clark

**Oscar** · 5th June 2005, 17:29

The Resource Management Act is strangling this country and is typical of the fucking "we just know better" namby pamby fucking PC wankers in power at the moment.

Want to see Aussie V8's? Vote National.
Want see bike racing survive? Vote National.
When Labour has finished saving us from cigarettes, speeding and booze, they're gonna come after other anti-social elements like people who ride motorbikes.

**Oscar** · 5th June 2005, 17:33

Originally Posted by Gremlin

Ok, before reading this, bear in mind I tend to support the right wing, and I'm probably making generalisations, but its a different view point.

Labour is for the people. National is for businesses. Labour screws businesses and tries to help the people. National helps businesses and screws the people (in a very basic view). But if Labour is in power and making the company spend huge on tax and compliance, then profits fall and people have to be laid off, or halt pay increases. v.v if the business is doing really well, then they want to expand and employ more people, or pay more.

So, to my way of thinking, if businesses are suffering then people suffer. If businesses do well, then people do well, so why not allow the businesses to do well?? Ok, obviously not everyone will follow that line (some will just take the profits) but in the end, they will probably end up spending it, probably to another business, hence the money go round and velocity of money...

That said, I'm a student and I want universal allowances even though they probably aren't financially viable. But I want them.

I also liked National's every year of work = one year wipe off of student loan (Labour called it slave labour)

It was the Greens.
In fact Rob Donald called University Fees "inter-generational theft". This is bullshit - if you want to buy a business you pay. If you wanna train as a Doctor and earn huge money why should the tax payers help you?

In fact free educational isn't free at all - someone pays: the long suffering taxpayer. Actually free education is inter-generational theft: your children pay.

**Pixie** · 6th June 2005, 16:18

Originally Posted by Gremlin

Ok, before reading this, bear in mind I tend to support the right wing, and I'm probably making generalisations, but its a different view point.

Labour is for the people. National is for businesses. Labour screws businesses and tries to help the people. National helps businesses and screws the people (in a very basic view). But if Labour is in power and making the company spend huge on tax and compliance, then profits fall and people have to be laid off, or halt pay increases. v.v if the business is doing really well, then they want to expand and employ more people, or pay more.

So, to my way of thinking, if businesses are suffering then people suffer. If businesses do well, then people do well, so why not allow the businesses to do well?? Ok, obviously not everyone will follow that line (some will just take the profits) but in the end, they will probably end up spending it, probably to another business, hence the money go round and velocity of money...

That said, I'm a student and I want universal allowances even though they probably aren't financially viable. But I want them.

I also liked National's every year of work = one year wipe off of student loan (Labour called it slave labour)

I always thought it was:
Labour is for the labour MP's
National is for the national MP's
NZ First is for NZ First MP's
Greens are for Greens MP's
etc.

I will never vote for ideological zealots

**El Dopa** · 6th June 2005, 21:19

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

It's a good thing if you're Italian. They don't allow Govt's to interfere in their lives. if it's against the law they do it anyway.

True. At my old work, a Pom delegation, a German delegation and an Italian delegation all got together to nut out some mutually beneficial thing, can't remember exactly what.

At the end of the negotiations, one of the German delgates was complaining about how hard it would be for them to comply with all the requirements (which applied equally to all the parties/nationalities). One of the Italians looked at him and said 'it is but a beautiful dream, something for us to aspire to'. Which about sums up their attitude.

**Lou Girardin** · 7th June 2005, 15:40

Originally Posted by Oscar

The Resource Management Act is strangling this country and is typical of the fucking "we just know better" namby pamby fucking PC wankers in power at the moment.

Want to see Aussie V8's? Vote National.
Want see bike racing survive? Vote National.
When Labour has finished saving us from cigarettes, speeding and booze, they're gonna come after other anti-social elements like people who ride motorbikes.

National introduced the RMA.
The Wellington street race died under National.

**cruzer** · 7th June 2005, 16:05

What about;
- Giving people who are on the bebnefit a "benefit card" that can only be used for spending for fundamentals of life?
- Why not stop treating people in prison as though they are the ones that have been wronged. Once convicted and sentenced, offer 4 rights.....1) the right to shelter - 2) the right to food - 3) the right to clothing - 4) the right to medical attention, everything else....work for it.
- Making people responsible for their actions and allowing people to take responsibility
These few things and others are only ideas and opinions and are not designed to anger or draw an irrate response but to illustrate that we can all complain bitterly and until blue in the face but, changes are most often effected from within, join a party that best suits your needs and be heard.

**cruzer** · 7th June 2005, 16:06

What about;
- Giving people who are on the benefit a "benefit card" that can only be used for spending for fundamentals of life?
- Why not stop treating people in prison as though they are the ones that have been wronged. Once convicted and sentenced, offer 4 rights.....1) the right to shelter - 2) the right to food - 3) the right to clothing - 4) the right to medical attention, everything else....work for it.
- Making people responsible for their actions and allowing people to take responsibility
These few things and others are only ideas and opinions and are not designed to anger or draw an irrate response but to illustrate that we can all complain bitterly and until blue in the face but, changes are most often effected from within, join a party that best suits your needs and be heard.

**Oscar** · 8th June 2005, 08:50

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

National introduced the RMA.
The Wellington street race died under National.

I'll think you'll find it was ammended under Labour.
It is strangling progress.

**marty** · 8th June 2005, 09:05

although, people are quick to use the RMA to their advantage if there is a NIMBY situation happening. the pylons and wind farms are classic examples. it works both ways, if there was no RMA, the 400kva footings would be down already, there would be a gondola across the south island, whenuapai would be auckland's second airport, ferrys would be doing 30kts down the malborough sounds, international companies would be mining black sand off 300 miles of west coast beaches etc etc

**Oscar** · 8th June 2005, 09:31

Originally Posted by marty

although, people are quick to use the RMA to their advantage if there is a NIMBY situation happening. the pylons and wind farms are classic examples. it works both ways, if there was no RMA, the 400kva footings would be down already, there would be a gondola across the south island, whenuapai would be auckland's second airport, ferrys would be doing 30kts down the malborough sounds, international companies would be mining black sand off 300 miles of west coast beaches etc etc

Maybe they would.
But I can tell you that the taxpayer wouldn't have to be forking out 50k for Taniwha next to the expressway, neither.