Islamisation

[Winston001]

Mother nature (call it whatever you like) is a sadistic old bastard, that's why!

Carnivore's eat flesh, we (humans) are carnivores, we eat other things!

Bambi never waged war against anything or anyone, why should Bambi live in fear?

Because mother nature is a sadistic old bastard and right now I am feeling hungry!

I wonder how the grass and selected edible herbs felt about Bambi?

Cripes John, that's a bit deep for KB.


Surely you don't mean Bambi is a sand donkey

[SS90]

Incidentally there is a successful porn shop in the same area but no-one objects to its presence as disrespectful to ground zero.

And why would they? Porn is great, never unvoked any one into flying a plane into a building.

[Berries]

Yeah, but have you seen Muslim porn mags ? They still have the burkha on.

Waste of money IMHO.

[mashman]

Yeah, but have you seen Muslim porn mags ? They still have the burkha on.

Waste of money IMHO.

surely that depends oin the placement and angle of the burkha

[avgas]

That's why I was asking about interview to see what was the actual plan of what he hoped to achieve

It needs to be a park or something. However unfortunately the land value is worth gold, and apparently some poor sod is paying the lease.
So I guess he has to recoup costs somehow.

Would be great if there was some kind of unbiased memorial there though. Like I said, saddest place I have ever been - when you stand at ground zero you realize that the death was not biased. It just killed all.
It did not matter if you practiced Islam or were christian. If you were in that area - your fucked.

[cold comfort]

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"It is a truism, almost any sect, cult or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so!"

[R-Soul]

I wonder what New Zealand will look like in 100 years - or maybe 500 years ?

Can you say "Chinese"? Or how about "Indian"?

Realistically speaking, if the world remains relatively peaceful, and people are relatively free to move to other countries if they dont like it in theirs, it can really only go this way ON AVERAGE.

Because, lets face it, immigration to India or China is not going to make a dent in their demographics. But even a TINY percentage of immigrants from these countries will swamp most others.

A comedian put it nicely in to context for me- I quote:

"I am going to visit China this Christmas, and I cant wait. But what is amazing is the number of people, after hearing you are going, that say ;"Oh, did you know thay have 1.2 billion people in China?"

And I say, "No, they 1.345 billion people in China. You are in fact 145 million people out. That's half the population of the USA."

"In fact, even if you said that they had 1.34 billion people, you would still be discounting the entire population of New Zealand!".

end quote

China is already hitting resource hurdles (water, space, food, etc).
Q: Where do 1.345 billion people go when they run out of space? A: Anywhere they want to.

[PrincessBandit]

China is already hitting resource hurdles (water, space, food, etc).
Q: Where do 1.345 billion people go when they run out of space? A: Anywhere they want to.

And China isn't the only country.....

[Jonno.]

Its all nonsense - a hysterical American media beat-up. A cultural centre is planned at 45 Park Place which is at least 2 1/2 blocks from the World Trade Centre which in Manhatten terms is nowhere near "at" ground zero.

The cultural centre will have shops, information areas, exhibits, and a small area for prayer.

Incidentally there is a successful porn shop in the same area but no-one objects to its presence as disrespectful to ground zero.

I think that has to do with how it wasn't a cult worshiping porn who destroyed the towers

I don't think it's a beatup at all. Peope blow up a building in the name of a God and then people worshiping the same God build a prayer centre 2 blocks away. I know personally if I were a Muslim and codemned those actions I would be respectful of those killed.

[Winston001]

I think that has to do with how it wasn't a cult worshiping porn who destroyed the towers

I don't think it's a beatup at all. Peope blow up a building in the name of a God and then people worshiping the same God build a prayer centre 2 blocks away. I know personally if I were a Muslim and codemned those actions I would be respectful of those killed.

I understand your point but it is part of a widely mistaken belief. The Al Qaeda terrorists who carried out the 9/11 strikes were not attacking the US in order to advance Islam. They did not attack so that Americans would turn to Allah.

Instead they attacked out of frustration and a narrow world-view that blamed America for all that is wrong in their home countries. They don't like US armies invading Iraq, holding bases in Saudi Arabia, and supporting Israel. They don't like the poverty, the crowding, the desperation of daily life and look for someone to blame. America is an easy target.

We also forget that most of the deaths and destruction caused by Islamic terrorists are to each other - bombings in Iraq and Pakistan usually target local people.

The 9/11 people were terrorists who happened to be Moslem and that is the cultural influence which gave them the excuse to act. Islam has its problems but fundamentally, terrorism is poor people lashing out in rage against the rich.

[marie_speeds]

The hijacked planes only killed approximately 500 people. Bad building design and construction did the other 2500+. Blame the architect. In his bid to get his giant phallic symbols up he overlooked safety.

[Banditbandit]

The hijacked planes only killed approximately 500 people. Bad building design and construction did the other 2500+. Blame the architect. In his bid to get his giant phallic symbols up he overlooked safety.

Even Bin Laden said the results (building crash) were better than even they expected ...

[marie_speeds]

Even Bin Laden said the results (building crash) were better than even they expected ...

Exactly...bad building design and the towers falling down was apparently an added bonus for him

[avgas]

Exactly...bad building design and the towers falling down was apparently an added bonus for him

Apparently it was quite a well designed building.
Not even a precision terrorist could drop that puppy so delicately

[R-Soul]

Instead they attacked out of frustration and a narrow world-view that blamed America for all that is wrong in their home countries. They don't like US armies invading Iraq, holding bases in Saudi Arabia, and supporting Israel. They don't like the poverty, the crowding, the desperation of daily life and look for someone to blame. America is an easy target.

The USA had its fingers in many pies around the world, and it was causing death and destruction in MANY of them BEFORE 9/11.

In many cases it actively supported autocrats and dictators against democratically elected governments, just because those governments werent as friendly, or weren't willing to provide the same levels of access to their resources.

Lets face it, the USA foreign policy guys are a nasty ass bunch of people that don't give two pence worth about anybody elses lives. Only when it infliuences the American voting public,does it seem to affect them. Most American voting public seem to be a bunch of inbred rednecks with no vision or knowledge beyond their counties, much less their country, and let their foriegn policy guys behave as badly as they did, because it did not affect them. They caused FAR more unnecessary deaths in other countries before 9/11 than 9/11 ever caused. But non-American lives dont seem to count.

Given that levels of death and misery and desperation that they were causing in other countries, they seem to have reaped what they sowed....

Hopefully under the new Obama adminsitration, they will display a level of respect for ALL lives, and support their principles of democracy and human rights EVEN in other countries that are not willing to give them preferenatial commercial treatment. But probably not.