Islamisation

[marie_speeds]

Hopefully under the new Obama adminsitration, they will display a level of respect for ALL lives, and support their principles of democracy and human rights EVEN in other countries that are not willing to give them preferenatial commercial treatment. But probably not.

He's already so out of there.............................

[Oscar]

Exactly...bad building design and the towers falling down was apparently an added bonus for him

Apparently the architect did model the impact of a 707 on one of the towers.
What he didn't factor in was the full load of fuel.

[marie_speeds]

Apparently the architect did model the impact of a 707 on one of the towers.
What he didn't factor in was the full load of fuel.

That's why I said blame the architect, all his fault.....bad fire prevention and isolation betwen floors

[PrincessBandit]

It's a strange old world when buildings have to be constructed not only to withstand natural disaster but man made terrors as well.

By this reckoning then all air and ventilation systems should be designed to immediately detect and filter out biochemical nasties which is another favourite in the terrorists arsenal.

Realistically, it doesn't matter how "bullet proof" a building is designed and built, if it's a desirable enough target terrorists will find a way to destroy it.

[pete376403]

Veering off topic, but.... no-one has ever explained why WTC 7 fell down when it never got hit by anything. It can't have been *that* badly designed. Of course any time this is mentioned , you become a conspiracy theorist.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...3116607499063#

[toycollector10]

Veering off topic, but.... no-one has ever explained why WTC 7 fell down when it never got hit by anything. It can't have been *that* badly designed. Of course any time this is mentioned , you become a conspiracy theorist.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...3116607499063#

My first Google search for WTC7 came up with this. So can't you even use a search engine, mate?

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

You should probably just cut to the video at the bottom of the page on the debunking911.com webpage.

Your post just makes me see red. And yes, Armstrong never landed on the moon, it was filmed in a Hollywood lot. Yeah!. And did you see that video of the Yeti? The Loch Ness Monster?

I'm incensed at this stupid attitude that seems to think that an American government would want to wage war on its own citizens.

Do you think that Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance?

Here is a brief rundown on the advances Islam has made to the world of aviation. Not Boeing, or Airbus, or Thales, or Cessna...Islam:

"history will acknowledge the contributions made by the Americans, Europeans, Russians and other nations to aviation. History will also record the only contribution made by Muslims to aviation, which is to crash the planes and kill their passengers. Muslims happen to be the only group to perfect this art of crashing commercial planes to kill innocent, helpless civilians. Their list of achievements includes:

"In 1967 they introduced to the world professional hijacking; a Palestinian group hijacked an Israeli Boeing 707 to Algeria.

"In 1970 they introduced multiple plane hijacking when they hijacked, then exploded four commercial planes in a Jordanian desert.

"In the 1980s they perfected the art of planting explosives in electronic devices such as cassette players. They successfully exploded a jumbo jet over Scotland killing hundreds of civilians.

"In September 2001 humanity witnessed with disbelief how a group of dedicated Muslims hijacked four commercial planes and crashed them into buildings killing thousands of innocent civilians.

"In December 2001, they introduced the shoe bomb.

"In 2006 they introduced the use of liquid explosives.

[Jonno.]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....i?u=911_morons

[Oscar]

Do you think that Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance?

Here is a brief rundown on the advances Islam has made to the world of aviation. Not Boeing, or Airbus, or Thales, or Cessna...Islam:

"history will acknowledge the contributions made by the Americans, Europeans, Russians and other nations to aviation. History will also record the only contribution made by Muslims to aviation, which is to crash the planes and kill their passengers. Muslims happen to be the only group to perfect this art of crashing commercial planes to kill innocent, helpless civilians. Their list of achievements includes:

"In 1967 they introduced to the world professional hijacking; a Palestinian group hijacked an Israeli Boeing 707 to Algeria.

"In 1970 they introduced multiple plane hijacking when they hijacked, then exploded four commercial planes in a Jordanian desert.

"In the 1980s they perfected the art of planting explosives in electronic devices such as cassette players. They successfully exploded a jumbo jet over Scotland killing hundreds of civilians.

"In September 2001 humanity witnessed with disbelief how a group of dedicated Muslims hijacked four commercial planes and crashed them into buildings killing thousands of innocent civilians.

"In December 2001, they introduced the shoe bomb.

"In 2006 they introduced the use of liquid explosives.

Your first three examples are political, and nothing to do with Muslims, apart from the coincidental fact that most of the perpetrators were of that faith (for example the Lockerbie Bombing was the Libyan Govt's revenge for the US attack that killed Qaddafi's daughter). Using that "logic" would have the Atomic Bomb, Nerve Gas and Carpet Bombing classified as Christian Weapons.

[avgas]

"history will acknowledge the contributions made by the Americans, Europeans, Russians and other nations to aviation."

Worth noting that these areas are also known as the world leaders in designing and building

"Anti-Personnel" armaments.

The Muslims borrow that off them too. lol

[mashman]

Worth noting that these areas are also known as the world leaders in designing and building

"Anti-Personnel" armaments.

The Muslims borrow that off them too. lol

to be fair though, the "designer/builders" of the "armaments" teach their customers how to use things properly... just as well as, heaven forbid, could kill someone using those things improperly

[marie_speeds]

My first Google search for WTC7 came up with this. So can't you even use a search engine, mate?

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

You should probably just cut to the video at the bottom of the page on the debunking911.com webpage.

Your post just makes me see red. And yes, Armstrong never landed on the moon, it was filmed in a Hollywood lot. Yeah!. And did you see that video of the Yeti? The Loch Ness Monster?

I'm incensed at this stupid attitude that seems to think that an American government would want to wage war on its own citizens.

Do you think that Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance?

Here is a brief rundown on the advances Islam has made to the world of aviation. Not Boeing, or Airbus, or Thales, or Cessna...Islam:

"history will acknowledge the contributions made by the Americans, Europeans, Russians and other nations to aviation. History will also record the only contribution made by Muslims to aviation, which is to crash the planes and kill their passengers. Muslims happen to be the only group to perfect this art of crashing commercial planes to kill innocent, helpless civilians. Their list of achievements includes:

"In 1967 they introduced to the world professional hijacking; a Palestinian group hijacked an Israeli Boeing 707 to Algeria.

"In 1970 they introduced multiple plane hijacking when they hijacked, then exploded four commercial planes in a Jordanian desert.

"In the 1980s they perfected the art of planting explosives in electronic devices such as cassette players. They successfully exploded a jumbo jet over Scotland killing hundreds of civilians.

"In September 2001 humanity witnessed with disbelief how a group of dedicated Muslims hijacked four commercial planes and crashed them into buildings killing thousands of innocent civilians.

"In December 2001, they introduced the shoe bomb.

"In 2006 they introduced the use of liquid explosives.

Your forgot some...
October 1097 The Siege of Antioch...
26th May 1637 Mystic massacre....
6th August 1945 Hiroshima....

Oh bugger sorry my bad..... All these ones were Christians doing the killing....

[Winston001]

Your forgot some...
October 1097 The Siege of Antioch...
26th May 1637 Mystic massacre....
6th August 1945 Hiroshima....

Oh bugger sorry my bad..... All these ones were Christians doing the killing....

Mmmm.....sorry Marie but you conveniently overlook Islamic battles and massacres:

715 - invasion and conquering of the Iberian Peninsula (Spain, Portugal, and southern France)

1066 Massacre of Granada - 4000 killed

1971 Partition of India and Pakistan - 2.4 million Hindus killed

There are plenty more examples. For example, consider that North Africa and the Middle East were substantially Christian and Jewish in the early centuries but under the sword of Islam these populations were converted/killed until repressed.

The Crusades were an attempt to turn the tide and save the those left.

Tamerlane is rightly honoured as a great Islamic leader but he was also a butcher. For example, when Isfahan surrendered to Tamerlane in 1387, he ordered the complete massacre of the city, killing a reported 70,000 citizens. An eye-witness counted more than 28 towers, each constructed of about 1,500 heads.

[marie_speeds]

Mmmm.....sorry Marie but you conveniently overlook Islamic battles and massacres:

715 - invasion and conquering of the Iberian Peninsula (Spain, Portugal, and southern France)

1066 Massacre of Granada - 4000 killed

1971 Partition of India and Pakistan - 2.4 million Hindus killed

There are plenty more examples. For example, consider that North Africa and the Middle East were substantially Christian and Jewish in the early centuries but under the sword of Islam these populations were converted/killed until repressed.

The Crusades were an attempt to turn the tide and save the those left.

Tamerlane is rightly honoured as a great Islamic leader but he was also a butcher. For example, when Isfahan surrendered to Tamerlane in 1387, he ordered the complete massacre of the city, killing a reported 70,000 citizens. An eye-witness counted more than 28 towers, each constructed of about 1,500 heads.

No I didn't overlook anything. My point was which you have added to btw is that it easy for some to recite a list of murderous acts committed by Muslims but it is also just as easy to recite a list of murderous acts committed by other religious groups/peoples. To naively believe that one's own religious organisation/nation is not guilty of atrocities is simply ridiculous. Human's are a murderous bunch....worst killing machines on the planet.

[Hans]

Oh yeah, and let's not forget the Siege of Vienna(1529). That's right - a Muslim army putting a city smack bang in the middle of Europe under siege less than 500 years ago. Wikipedia is your friend here.

[Reckless]

I have been following my thread with interest I thought it would produce good debate and so far I must say it hasn't turned into the shit fight that usually happens on KB.

MY original thoughts when originally posting where not that I supported the article that was emailed to me in any way at all. I actually don't know enough about Islam (as stated in a few previous posts) to have a valid opinion.
But I observed the two extreme views. One lot saying we have to bomb you and the other lot saying your trying to take over the world. Both seemingly as paranoid as each other. This I thought was interesting and could generate some good debate, and it has been an interesting thread.

What just prodded me to post up where Maries words hereunder that I must say I agree with.

No I didn't overlook anything. My point was which you have added to btw is that it easy for some to recite a list of murderous acts committed by Muslims but it is also just as easy to recite a list of murderous acts committed by other religious groups/peoples. To naively believe that one's own religious organisation/nation is not guilty of atrocities is simply ridiculous. Human's are a murderous bunch....worst killing machines on the planet.

Its seems whatever is written and whatever god that is put forward as the true god. He seems to give some humans the right to kill others in the name of. Some would say there's more killing been done in the name of a god than any other cause. Tallying up your figures above, makes this sum in the many millions?? Maybe the only reason we believe in a god is the fact we simply cannot stand to think when we die we just rot in the ground and that's that. Do we really have a soul or do we just think we do?? And if we do have a soul, as the human race do we really deserve a place like heaven??

Me frankly I'm confused and have been for years, an arc?? The whole world flooding?? animals two by two, Adam and Eve?? Religious books that tell people to kill in the name of god??

Sounds like a shit load lot of brainwashing by all sides?? Maybe we are all hypocrites? When the going gets really rough, we pray, when its all going ok, we don't. If you haven't had a religion bred into you its kinda hard to gets to grips with some of the goings on.

Maybe we don't have to go to church or commit to any particular religion. If there is a heaven up there maybe just not being an asshole, don't shit on anyone, be honest and helpful and thinking and acting to benefit your freinds, loved ones and strangers of any race creed or colour, is enough!
If not I suppose I'll just rot??