Islamisation

**oldrider** · 20th September 2010, 09:08

Originally Posted by PrincessBandit

Anyone else watching the 60 minutes programme on Tv1 tonight regarding the proposed mosque in NY?

I somehow think President Obama's comments stating that moslems should be allowed to build and worship wherever they like in the States would NOT be reciprocated if the boot were on the other foot. I can't imagine that Americans would be given a hearty "all good" if they were wanting to build a church in the heartland of an Islamic country, especially if it were to be overlooking a comparative site of destruction.

Maybe that's the ideal of the West - welcome everyone and all religions and cultures (a nice utopian ideal) but at what cost? The woman who featured in the doco stating her concerns that the mosque is just part of a bigger plan to infiltrate the US will no doubt be vilified by some as scare mongering. It will only take a few decades (if that) to see if her fears are justified. Serious food for thought.

Unfortunately the purpose of of most parasitic organisms is to consume the host!

Not all Muslims' are extremist terrorists but it is a fact that majority of extremist terrorists of today are Muslim and act in the name of Islam!

They take advantage of Western freedom and become the enemy within!

In other words "parasites hell bent on destroying their host"!

Western apathy and tolerance is their guarantee of success.

Wake up time perhaps?

**Winston001** · 21st September 2010, 22:06

Originally Posted by avgas

I still believe that Ground Zero is not a case of people whom have rights. But the removal of rights.
There should be no church there, nor temple, nor mosque.
It should be a reality check for all the religious nutters. Regardless of creed.
And before you all ask - I am not an atheist. I am simply someone who believes that there is a time for religion, but it has to fit into the times/place for everything else.

Just to reiterate that the 9/11 attack was not a religious act. It was a blow against the West and specifically America by young men who hate foreign interference in their home countries. The glue that brings them together is Islam but its not the reason for the hatred.

Originally Posted by oldrider

Unfortunately the purpose of of most parasitic organisms is to consume the host!

Not all Muslims' are extremist terrorists but it is a fact that majority of extremist terrorists of today are Muslim and act in the name of Islam!

They take advantage of Western freedom and become the enemy within!

In other words "parasites hell bent on destroying their host"!

Western apathy and tolerance is their guarantee of success.

Wake up time perhaps?

"Speak softly and carry a big stick" - Theordore Roosevelt 1901

The way to hell is paved with good intentions (for which we can read tolerance, liberalism etc).

“We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.” George Orwell

**scissorhands** · 23rd September 2010, 12:23

wrong 72 virgins in heaven?

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**avgas** · 23rd September 2010, 12:46

Originally Posted by Winston001

Just to reiterate that the 9/11 attack was not a religious act. It was a blow against the West and specifically America by young men who hate foreign interference in their home countries. The glue that brings them together is Islam but its not the reason for the hatred.

And how does that justify building a religious epitaph at the bottom of it.
It should be neutral there (like a park). Or return to what it was before - a business hub.

**oldrider** · 23rd September 2010, 22:23

Originally Posted by avgas

And how does that justify building a religious epitaph at the bottom of it.
It should be neutral there (like a park). Or return to what it was before - a business hub.

Preferably the latter, moving right along, outwardly unphased by the minor irritation of the insignificant!

The free world owes that to the lost ones that they were not wasted to the joy of their assassins!

**Winston001** · 24th September 2010, 10:42

Originally Posted by avgas

And how does that justify building a religious epitaph at the bottom of it.
It should be neutral there (like a park). Or return to what it was before - a business hub.

You'll recall from earlier in this thread that this is not a religious epitaph. Firstly, the building is located at least 2 1/2 blocks away from Ground Zero as are dozens of other buildings. There are probably American moslems working and living in those buildings already with the occasional prayer mat. Should they be witch-hunted??

Secondly, the proposal is for a cultural centre, not a mosque. There will be a small space for prayer.

The media noise over this is a complete waste of time and energy.

**mashman** · 24th September 2010, 10:56

Originally Posted by avgas

It should be neutral there (like a park). Or return to what it was before - a business hub.

I'd go for a cultural centre/business centre but that's me

**avgas** · 24th September 2010, 12:21

Originally Posted by Winston001

You'll recall from earlier in this thread that this is not a religious epitaph. Firstly, the building is located at least 2 1/2 blocks away from Ground Zero as are dozens of other buildings.

This raises some other good points.
http://fredfryinternational.blogspot...mosque-at.html

I notice there are not many churches in Manhattan when I was there.
Or public toilets.

Why don't they build more public toilets........if there is anything that place needs, its them.

Starbucks toilets were the only place we could find.

**oldrider** · 24th September 2010, 14:56

Don't lose site of the fact that Islamic extremists kill more Muslims than any other religion or race!

They do not just selectively kill infidels!

They are truly

fuckers!

**R-Soul** · 30th September 2010, 12:35

Originally Posted by marie_speeds

There is currently a group in NZ as we breath who are being vilified by the govt and the press. Everything about this group of people is bad, bad, bad. Lock up your sons and daughters, keep them safe, because this group of people are just downright dangerous. They should be banned, and kept out of society. Because no good ever comes of them.
Then there is the group themselves. Yes they say there are those of us who are a bit extreme. But the rest of us just moderate fun loving people with a common idol that we worship. We are not out to harm anyone, we are just here because of our common interest and love. Why is the Govt vilifying us? Why the constant bad press? Not all of us are extreme or dangerous! We shall form a group and we shall fight this injustice. We will prove to the population of NZ that we are not bad, not dangerous, and that no one has anything to fear from us. The majority of us are good law abiding citizens, few bad apples does not mean that we all should be penalised.

You talking about Dungeons and Dragons players?

**R-Soul** · 30th September 2010, 12:45

Originally Posted by Winston001

You'll recall from earlier in this thread that this is not a religious epitaph. Firstly, the building is located at least 2 1/2 blocks away from Ground Zero as are dozens of other buildings. There are probably American moslems working and living in those buildings already with the occasional prayer mat. Should they be witch-hunted??

Secondly, the proposal is for a cultural centre, not a mosque. There will be a small space for prayer.

The media noise over this is a complete waste of time and energy.

Also bear in mind that many poeple from many countries and many religions died in 9/11. Including Muslims. So why should they not also be honoured anywy?

**Oscar** · 30th September 2010, 12:54

Originally Posted by oldrider

Don't lose site of the fact that Islamic extremists kill more Muslims than any other religion or race!

They do not just selectively kill infidels!

They are truly

fuckers!

9/11 was a political attack more than it was to do with religion.
A lot of Americans would love to think that 9/11 was the start of this war, but it is a conflict that has been going on for a long time.

Both the US, it's Western Allies and Israel have a lot to answer for in this conflict.

**Winston001** · 1st October 2010, 21:17

Originally Posted by Oscar

Both the US, it's Western Allies and Israel have a lot to answer for in this conflict.

Thats one perspective but not entirely fair. Israel is a tiny country striving to survive against the odds. The Western nations can take some blame because of their historical drawing of borders in the Middle East in the 19th-20th centuries.

But fundamentally the problems of islamic nations arise from over-population, poverty, and lack of education. When you are poor everyone else looks rich and its easy to be angry at them.

Besides as Oldrider says, most of the terrorism is carried out inside these troubled nations, killing each other. The small number of attacks on the West loom large for us but nevertheless we all live much safer lives than the average Pakistani or Iraqui.