Islamisation

[Berries]

British culture. Bwaaaahaaaahaaaa
Downt the chippie, then the pub, drop an E, and ooonst oonst oonst the night away, till dawn, then fight whoever is close by.

You don't know how homesick you just made me.

[Kabul]

It's funny how people are apathetic about peace but are so keen to come together when anyone identifies an enemy. and it doesn't matter who the enemy is, or even if they really are one.

Throughout history Mulsim have generally suffered the forced or attempted Christianisation of Islam. The Crusades are an obvious example. Modern Muslim note that Israel is supported by US right-wing Christian fanatics who don't support freedom for Jews in their homeland but believe it will lead to the fulfilment of Bible prophecy - Armagheddon in the Middle East. They're paying for another holocaust. Most Muslim countries have a history or colonisation by Western countries. So, there are plenty who don't like us.

So, yes, we know there are Muslims who want to conquer the world for Islam, just as there are Christian usuing US muscle to conquer the world for Christianity.

But I have lived in many Muslim countrioes and know many here in New Zealand. They want pretty much what we want - happiness, prosperity, and the chance to live according to their own principles, which don't include conquering other people. I don't happen to agree with their religion, but then I might not agree with yours either.

The single greatest way of supporting Al Qaeda and the Taliban is to circulate disguisting hate-filled racist emails like the one which started all this off. That just encourages more young disaffected Muslims to join the other side.

If you don't wnat New Zealand to become a hotbed of radicalism, you can do something about it. Show respect to Muslims you meet or work with. Find out about them. Just say "Salaam Aleikhom" when you meet so they will feel at home.

[marie_speeds]

Yesterday I ran into a friend of my sisters. She has invited us to her home on the 12th September for a family dinner, to mark the end of Ramadan! What is really funny was that I always assumed she was Christian as both her daughters go to Holy Cross Primary School. When I am embarrassingly told her such she told me that her and her husband preferred that their daughters be given a religious education even if it were Catholic, as they would like them to grow up respectful, kind and charitable members of society. I must say I indeed felt very small. It is a shame that liberal peaceful muslim's such as them are never portrayed in the media.

[SS90]

If you don't wnat New Zealand to become a hotbed of radicalism, you can do something about it. Show respect to Muslims you meet or work with. Find out about them. Just say "Salaam Aleikhom" when you meet so they will feel at home.

Well, the point is that NZ is their home now and "Salaam Aleikhom" is not a word in the English or Maori dictionary.

The languages of NZ are English, Maori and NZ sign language.

" Giddy mate, how ya goin'" would be more fitting.

Given the reputation of Muslims for settling all over the world, building mosks, and killing people, I say that we should smile politely, but carry a big stick.

If any more of them try highjacking planes or what ever, then the only thing you will here from most Kiwis is "piss off Abdul".

I say it is the responsibility of all the Muslims to destroy the networks of the "extremists "..... Achieve that, and I will help build a Mosk or 2..... In Siberia.

[phill-k]

It's funny how people are apathetic about peace but are so keen to come together when anyone identifies an enemy. and it doesn't matter who the enemy is, or even if they really are one.

Throughout history Mulsim have generally suffered the forced or attempted Christianisation of Islam. The Crusades are an obvious example. Modern Muslim note that Israel is supported by US right-wing Christian fanatics who don't support freedom for Jews in their homeland but believe it will lead to the fulfilment of Bible prophecy - Armagheddon in the Middle East. They're paying for another holocaust. Most Muslim countries have a history or colonisation by Western countries. So, there are plenty who don't like us.

So, yes, we know there are Muslims who want to conquer the world for Islam, just as there are Christian usuing US muscle to conquer the world for Christianity.

But I have lived in many Muslim countrioes and know many here in New Zealand. They want pretty much what we want - happiness, prosperity, and the chance to live according to their own principles, which don't include conquering other people. I don't happen to agree with their religion, but then I might not agree with yours either.

The single greatest way of supporting Al Qaeda and the Taliban is to circulate disguisting hate-filled racist emails like the one which started all this off. That just encourages more young disaffected Muslims to join the other side.

If you don't wnat New Zealand to become a hotbed of radicalism, you can do something about it. Show respect to Muslims you meet or work with. Find out about them. Just say "Salaam Aleikhom" when you meet so they will feel at home.

Mate (and I use that as a NZ idiosyncrasy) as you would expect us to respect your beliefs and custom in your homeland - no alcohol and women treated with demean by being made to cover their beauty, when coming to our country you need to first respect our open way of life and the fact we love the beauty of a woman exposed. Don't come here preaching your beliefs, come humble respect those that are prepared to adopt you and allow you to integrate into our way of life. Come here and isolate yourself and denigrate our way of life and we we gladly throw you out on your ear.
in other words do it our way or fuck off!!

Mind you I'm assuming you are of Middle Eastern heritage if not stop being so bloody politically correct, that's what's causing so much shit in the world today, this is NZ do it our way and enjoy or just fuck off and leave us alone in paradise, I mean this is where the virgins are after all.

[Hans]

Mind you I'm assuming you are of Middle Eastern heritage if not stop being so bloody politically correct, that's what's causing so much shit in the world today, this is NZ do it our way and enjoy or just fuck off and leave us alone in paradise, I mean this is where the virgins are after all.

More likely an English as a second language teacher. Or an "educator" to use the correct newspeak.
What I hate even more than the A-rabs are A-rab shills. (Or Persian shills for that matter).
Gets about as much respect as an ice cream salesman from Edgecumbe might get.

[avgas]

You don't know how homesick you just made me.

We can guess.

[avgas]

If you don't wnat New Zealand to become a hotbed of radicalism, you can do something about it. Show respect to Muslims you meet or work with. Find out about them. Just say "Salaam Aleikhom" when you meet so they will feel at home.

How about saying "Hello, my name is ____________."...."How do you great people in your language"

On the off chance they are Muslim, but enjoy speaking in their native tongue. Seeing as 60% of those of Muslim faith are from Asia.

[rustyrobot]

stop being so bloody politically correct, that's what's causing so much shit in the world today

Really, based on what evidence? And which problems were those by the way?

this is NZ do it our way and enjoy or just fuck off

where as I would think it was this attitude which is in fact causing more of the problems in the world today.

which also brings us back to the question - which way exactly is 'our way'?

[phill-k]

Really, based on what evidence? And which problems were those by the way?



where as I would think it was this attitude which is in fact causing more of the problems in the world today.

which also brings us back to the question - which way exactly is 'our way'?

Do you actually bother reading any of the posts - the entire post I quoted for example, or do you just do a bit of cutting and pasting and make statements in the form of inane questions, go read the post I referred to and then if you can actually add to the discussion do so, otherwise don't bother quoting me.
Oh and if you don't understand what "our way" is go back and read my entire post along with the quoted post its pretty clear actually, but just to help I'll include for you the word Kiwi way.

[SS90]

Really, based on what evidence? And which problems were those by the way?



where as I would think it was this attitude which is in fact causing more of the problems in the world today.

which also brings us back to the question - which way exactly is 'our way'?

wow, you come across as a real left wing liberal, ignoring the reality of the world we live in..... Read the paper much?

Let's think about what our way is NOT, rather than what it is....

In you opinion, what is "our way" when it comes to....say..... Womans' rights..... Compared to, say, um, I don't know..... Um the Muslim "way".....

[rustyrobot]

Do you actually bother reading any of the posts - the entire post I quoted for example, or do you just do a bit of cutting and pasting and make statements in the form of inane questions, go read the post I referred to and then if you can actually add to the discussion do so, otherwise don't bother quoting me.
Oh and if you don't understand what "our way" is go back and read my entire post along with the quoted post its pretty clear actually, but just to help I'll include for you the word Kiwi way.

I did read your post and I did read the original post you quoted. Seems to me what he was saying is, you get what you give, so spouting hate filled rhetoric will get you some of the same.

Oh sweet, the kiwi way. We had a good discussion around that, and I believe came down to the result that a kiwi is a person who was born or lives in NZ, therefore whatever is done by those people is the 'kiwi way'. Which would include saying Salaam Aleikhom I suppose.

Although if we look more specifically at a national level, we can see that our country has a history of tolerance, fighting injustice and an attempt at understanding difference. This is what you call 'politcal correctness', but I would say that it is instead a clear representation of our national personality. I guess if I was you I would say something like "this is NZ do it our way and enjoy or just fuck off".

[avgas]

Have they gone? White European-descent people still rule here. And they still look and behave like colonizers.

Very true.
However - we are all stuck in the same frying pan now my friend. We all have equal opportunities (or do we....... you ever been a unemployed white guy in NZ??? The system is not so kind to you), and likewise we all get burnt by the same fire.

Out of interest however - what things would you change (for the benefit of Maori) if you were in charge?
What would you require of those in NZ, for them to be accepted as a national iwi?
If you were to right up an immigration script for those who wish to become NZer's - what would it contain?

[rustyrobot]

wow, you come across as a real left wing liberal, ignoring the reality of the world we live in..... Read the paper much?

Let's think about what our way is NOT, rather than what it is....

In you opinion, what is "our way" when it comes to....say..... Womans' rights..... Compared to, say, um, I don't know..... Um the Muslim "way".....

Yeah, I do read the paper much. Seems to me that the majority of the problems are caused by fundamentalists of some sort - be they christian, muslim, communists, or capitalists. This is then compounded by angry people who are prepared to hurt people physically to get their way. In addition we are dealing with the after-math of a couple of hundred years of might-is-right ideology, which has a long lasting impact.

Definitely wouldn't consider myself a left-wing liberal, but if you label me as that what are you? A right-wing reactionary? I'm pretty sure my grandfather fought a war against you lot 50 years ago and won.

[avgas]

Really, based on what evidence? And which problems were those by the way?

- Not picking the best person for the job.
- The ability to identify an individual.
- Not having to remove someone from a situation.
- The removal of the community to the seclusion of the individual.

I am all for respect, but you are opening pandora's box with questions like that.