Chemist vs Crook

[Genie]

Why do criminals have rights?

Now this is something I have always got antsy about...the moment a person commits a crime I personally feel that they have then revoked all their rights as a member of society. They are breaking the rules of society, they feel the rules don't apply so then why should the rights apply...geez, I'm getting wound up now. Bastards!

[kave]

The security guard will be fooked. He walked through the premise and didn't spot the offender who was hiding inside. I cant imagine he will keep his job.

[Spazman727]

The gunshop owner who shot the guy with the machete was deemed to have acted in self-defence and not charged for the shooting itself, so why would an unarmed chemist be charged unless you guys know more details than what the media is letting on?

didn't he get a suspended sentence? I thought he was convicted of attempted murder but given a suspended sentence because the jury were real people who feel the same as most people about defending one's own property/life.

[Swoop]

didn't he get a suspended sentence? I thought he was convicted of attempted murder but given a suspended sentence because the jury were real people who feel the same as most people about defending one's own property/life.

Nope. The police dropped the charges, meaning it never went to court.

[Banditbandit]

They are breaking the rules of society, they feel the rules don't apply so then why should the rights apply...geez, I'm getting wound up now. Bastards!

How about those of us who feel that the laws of the road don't apply ?

[slofox]

How about those of us who feel that the laws of the road don't apply ?

You'ms all jus' bad buggers is all...

[Genie]

How about those of us who feel that the laws of the road don't apply ?

Ditto...how can you ride the road and think the rules don't apply to you? That's arrogant....do you ride on the left or right? Do you give way at intersections? Stop signs mean anything?

[Mental Trousers]

How about those of us who feel that the laws of the road don't apply ?

Don't bitch when you get caught. I've got no problem with people who want to step outside the law. But if they do and they get caught they don't deserve to be treated the same as those who are within the boundaries of the law.

[Genie]

Don't bitch when you get caught. I've got no problem with people who want to step outside the law. But if they do and they get caught they don't deserve to be treated the same as those who are within the boundaries of the law.

Hey Mr Mental...those that live within the boundaries of law would not receive any treatment as they are not stepping over any lines that would require enforcement. They are not attracting any attention as they do no wrong. Whereas those that step outside the law should receive harsher penalities.

Personally, I do have a problem with those that step outside the law. As one of the many that resides in this society crime does affect me, insurance prememiums is just one aspect of how I'm affected. The idiot doing burnouts in his crappy skyline outside my house...that also affects me and how I'd love to throw some spikes in front of his car and then crush it!

As to this incident concerning the pharmacy...hope there are no charges laid. It's hard enough for people in business without being ripped off.

[TimeOut]

didn't he get a suspended sentence? I thought he was convicted of attempted murder but given a suspended sentence because the jury were real people who feel the same as most people about defending one's own property/life.

The jury don't sentence the judge does

[Str8 Jacket]

The security guard will be fooked. He walked through the premise and didn't spot the offender who was hiding inside. I cant imagine he will keep his job.

Except for the fact that as we were not there we have no idea if the offender came back through the hole in the wall afterwards or if he was in fact hiding in the shop.....

[Mental Trousers]

Hey Mr Mental...those that live within the boundaries of law would not receive any treatment as they are not stepping over any lines that would require enforcement. They are not attracting any attention as they do no wrong. Whereas those that step outside the law should receive harsher penalities.

Personally, I do have a problem with those that step outside the law. As one of the many that resides in this society crime does affect me, insurance prememiums is just one aspect of how I'm affected. The idiot doing burnouts in his crappy skyline outside my house...that also affects me and how I'd love to throw some spikes in front of his car and then crush it!

As to this incident concerning the pharmacy...hope there are no charges laid. It's hard enough for people in business without being ripped off.

Fair enough G.

I'm looking at it more from a personal responsibility + informed decision point of view.

By that I mean people know the possible consequences of their actions and have no come back if they are caught out, ie attempting an armed robbery may result in the offenders death or doing wheelies in front of Genie's house may result in your piece of shit car going to the crusher. So if someone decides to rob a Pharmacy they're accepting their actions may lead to their death.

Diminished Responsibility is bullshit.

[Virago]

Unfortunately, there is no definitive ruling that can be applied in each case.

For instance, someone pinching my newspaper from my mailbox in the morning is not the same as a life-or-death struggle in a home invasion. As much as I'd life to shoot the fucker with the newspaper, the law would come down on me like a ton of bricks - and rightly so. Most self defence (or property defence) cases fall somewhere between the two extremes, and each must be taken on its own merits.

The key issue here is whether the case should be tested by prosecuting and send it to court. The police will invariably take a dim view of any sort of self-defence, and will prosecute, on the basis of "let the courts decide". In doing so, the legal system effectively puts the victim of a crime through absolute hell.

The real pisser for me, is that the police don't apply such tests to themselves. If a police officer fatally injures someone in the course of their duties, the police will investigate it themselves, before invariably deciding that it was a justified action, and will not send it to court. Effectively, police have declared that they are the only citizens with any legally untested right of self defence.

[Kickaha]

For instance, someone pinching my newspaper from my mailbox in the morning is not the same as a life-or-death struggle in a home invasion. As much as I'd life to shoot the fucker with the newspaper, the law would come down on me like a ton of bricks - and rightly so. Most self defence (or property defence) cases fall somewhere between the two extremes, and each must be taken on its own merits.

Gateway crime

If you kill him now it will save the courts and police wasting time on him later

[Patrick]

So who reckons the chemist will be slapped with causing the burglar's death? Would be typical, woonit?

Personally, I reckon we oughta give him a medal...

I vote medal. No charge still.....

didn't he get a suspended sentence? I thought he was convicted of attempted murder but given a suspended sentence because the jury were real people who feel the same as most people about defending one's own property/life.

Nah. He was only charged with unlawful possession of a pistol. He was not charged with the shooting at all, as it was self defence.

...... The police will invariably take a dim view of any sort of self-defence, and will prosecute,

Interesting... theory....

The real pisser for me, is that the police don't apply such tests to themselves. If a police officer fatally injures someone in the course of their duties, the police will investigate it themselves, before invariably deciding that it was a justified action, and will not send it to court. Effectively, police have declared that they are the only citizens with any legally untested right of self defence.

And the rest is just crap. Ask any cop that has been through the IPCA and multiple Internal Investigations. No stone is left unturned, and the decisions to charge are left to the legal beagles..... As well as having specific protections under the law, for upholding the law......