Invite - 2nd protest against police pursuits today

[candor]

Midday National Police HQ, Molesworth St where Collins is talking of a tough penalty not modernisation. Our demonic policy would see courts overseass that fairly weight facts allow negligence judgements on many trauma cases here.

Why impaired driving victims have rolling police pursuit protests
Police pursuits are all round doing irreparable harm but are especially racist in impacts on fugitives and innocent people (more harm to Maori than others). The Police Minister has ignored our bereaved Wahine campaign recommending proven tactics to stop the killing.

She’s today discussing a loser strategy of tougher penalties for runners. After a cops death (2006) New York provided 15 year terms without effect. It’s 3-5 in NSW’s Skye law– criticized by the Law Society as longer than sentences for careless driving causing death, despite no victim
We want prevention of the harm not blame-shifting then hang up on the conversation, Police have seen 3 MoT reviews showing their rising quotas bumped trauma up, but took advice from the Transport Ministry saying to ignore the trial results and try to believe in the system.

Understanding that the safety problem in blue robbing us of life

Before 2003 (road safeties doomsday as ACC crash claims debt has tripled to 7B since) NZ Police averaged involvement with an average of 1-2 deaths from chases each of the prior 7 years –that’s a typical and respectable batting average.

Then in 2003 boy racer laws were passed and the Police began to operate entirely by a new computerized quota system, a “trial” called RAM putting high demands for catching speeders and drunks.

At this point chase numbers began rising from 500 odd yearly to now exceed 2000 every year. Areas like the 4 Aves turned hunting grounds with bulk nosey stops logged.
Police keener to chase (4x keener after 2002)….gulp

So between 2002-2008 about 500 runners were killed or injured - 293 innocent persons were harmed. After the RAM quota system roll out we’ve seen Police chase mayhem rise to cause 2% of the toll. UK Police contribute to only 1 chase death per 1.5 million population yearly – but we’ve reached 3-4 x that

Unsurprising given Police engage in 4x the chases (per capita) of the UK, Queensland & safety valuing places. Since the ticket hunt stated Police have no time to attend crimes. Police are making their own unique contribution to a decline is road safety giving us the top death risk per kilometer travelled of any OECD citizen!
“The popular accusation that road policing only exists to provide the Government with revenue is difficult to dispute in the absence of evidence that variation in enforcement as effect on road safety outcomes” (AA)

[candor]

Polices justifications for having open slather to chase anyone
1. If we let them go they’ll run more often and anarchy will reign
Reality – In Orlando when Police were stopped from chasing over traffic offences runner numbers stayed the same at one in four hundred (100 ran, 40,000 stopped). ~~~~But now no-one got killed~~~~.
2. Pursuits of traffic offenders make the roads safer, because they’d likely have crashed so we’d best try and pull them over

Reality –If we believe most Police chases are justified on road safety grounds we’re mistaken. Repeated research (Alpert, Miinne, Crew) proves the odds of identified traffic offenders crashing hugely increase with Police are on their tail. Top cops know chasing impaired drivers is dumb as.
A crash on any given impaired driving trip is not likely, but the statistical odds increase immeasurably under chase pressure. A chase inquiry in Queensland this year (which already has tighter policy than our lax one) recommended banning pursuits of suspected drunk or drug drivers. At a 0.144 pursuit crash risk they’re most risky to chase.

“The only thing more dangerous than a drunk driver is one being chased (Professor Alpert who spoke on Radio NZ lately). Alcohol was suspected in 45% of injurious “evading enforcement” crashes in between 2002-8 (Transport Registry). Clearly NZ Police are placing mugs bets having forgotten vows to protect life
~~~If Prosecutors are to attach heavy penalties to runners who cause trauma they must also look to the co-offenders in the form of Police, who give chase of traffic twits in flagrant disregard of solid evidence this raises risks to the Public
Maori and youth are worst hit by harm from chase mania
120,000 learners license breaches occurred last year as Police staked out the youth driver hang outs and put checkpoints where “money’s not a problem” for the VIP “y’all come back” repeat offenders – but NZ has the HIGHEST recorded 'road deaths per 100,000 population' risk among 15 to 17 year olds. The Maori youth demographic is big and Maori at 16% of Kiwis have 4 x others risk of chase injury

Table 4 Casualties (killed & injured) in ''Evading Enforcement' crashes by Ethnicity, 2002 to 2008
Ethnicity Fatal Serious Minor Non Injury Total
Asian 0 3 13 10 26
European 11 44 180 138 373
NZ Maori 7 32 135 78 252
Pacific 0 5 28 19 52
Other 0 0 3 4 7
Unknown 3 14 43 44 104
Total 21 98 402 293 814

Places without chases over traffic gripes have more effective and respected cops

Just as Police can’t fire guns with civilians around they can’t chase over traffic offences in many places, South Aus. police like Los Angeles’ use star chase in which a GPS tracking device is shot onto on to fleeing cars & tracked by a website. Automatic number plate recognition also supports a “walk away” norm. Chase bans took Toronto to zero deaths.
Countries valuing safety removed Officer discretion to launch chases and only violent crims are chased. Enlightened Police care enough about public safety not to tango which they well know equates to taking the safety off of others weapons.

POLICE PURSUITS KILL INNOCENTS – IT NEED NOT HAPPEN

IT’S NOT WORTH IT FOR A TICKET - POLICE TELL PORKIES THAT THEIR POLICY IS “ALREADY RESTRICTIVE” – IT’S THE SLACKEST IN THE WORLD

OUR POLICY IS DRAWING ATTENTION AS PRIMITIVE FROM INTERNATIONAL AUTHORITIES LIKE Dr ALPERT ON RADIO NZ

THEY CAN’T SEEM TO FIX IT AND DEFEND THE STATUS QUO BECAUSE OF COMMITMENTS TO RUN A QUOTAS TRIAL ON OUR SHORES FOR 5 MORE YEARS

COLLINS MAKES KIWI LIVES CHEAPER!!!!

[marty]

You're having a laugh surely.

Pursuits are racist? Lol. How about Maori who decide to do a runner take some fucking responsibility for their actions? That would be refreshing!

You need to get your story sorted and stick with it - one minute you want the Police to stop everyone, next you want them to ignore it?:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...driver-on-road

[Jdogg]

so you would prefer the crims that dont give a fuck, knowing that if they go fast they wont be chased....dreamer,

All that would happen would be more crime ie some dude who has just ripped your house off, is seen leaving the crime by cops but hits 60k in a built up area, pursuit called off crims get away....and the circle of crime carries on.

Dont you watch all the cop shows on the UK and US, they go hard on chasing down the runners as it usually leads to a bigger bust ie: drugs in car, stolen goods, outstanding warrants, the list goes on

but hey if you want to give the crims even more of an advantage thats your choice, I think you will find the fatalities caused by cops chasing to JUST give a ticket are low, compared to the ones that are being chased for bigger crims, which are the ones we need to deter not encourage......

[SMOKEU]

The OP is a fucking muppet.

[DMNTD:Me]

No wonder this is in Rant 'n Rave

[Patrick]

Protests blaming the Police? You're joking.

Even the families involved in the latest blame the fleeing driver, solely and singularly.

He was already doing 89. Would he have driven through the reds? Who knows....
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Had a Subaru doing well over 140 going up the wrong way of one of our one way streets not long ago, through at least 3 intersections, one controlled by lights... lights that he couldn't see, as he was going against the flow... and he wasn't being chased. Why? Because he could.

Do nothing?

Nanny state all right....

[Genestho]

Sorry.


Is the protest to stop police pursuits?

If not, what is the catch phrase.......? I have no problems at all with modernisation, however there will always be pursuits.


You can quote all the numbers you like, but the simple fact is - police have a job to do.

I don't want to see anarchy on the roads by suggesting this is the Police's fault and to call off pursuits when clearly the driver is an acute danger.

I do agree there have been exceptions to the rule - where police could've made a better judgment call and should take absolute accountability in these cases.

But going by the latest media story....

He was spotted by a petrol station worker 3 hours prior to the crash "He fumbled with the petrol cap - I could smell alcohol on his breath"
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10669652

If the driver had been let go, he may have still crashed, or, is has also been reported - if known by police - he may have tampered with or torched the car before police caught up with him.

It is a terrible tragedy what has happened, but what HE the fleeing disqualified and drunk driver did, should have a Manslaughter charge attached and take responsibility for what's been done.

[Ferkletastic]

Yeah, No.

As has been stated, it's not the cops chasing that're killing people, it's the morons running.

[BoristheBiter]

I think the OP is just going for the record for the red rep on one post.
What a complete dick you are.

GO and get a job you bludger, if you have a job get to work you lazy fuck.

[Indiana_Jones]

This is a piss-take surely?

-Indy

[Quasievil]

Stoopid, solve the problem by making the sentence for failing to stop 3 months in Jail and a $10,000 k fine and have your car/bike crushed, problem solved.

Ive chased offenders down and its fucken good fun, dont take it away !!

[SMOKEU]

I think the OP is just going for the record for the red rep on one post.
What a complete dick you are.

GO and get a job you bludger, if you have a job get to work you lazy fuck.

I don't think anyone has beaten my record yet for the most red rep in one post. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

ummmm... yeah... nope

[scissorhands]

Current pursuit policy does put the public at risk......but protesting against the cops will not be a popular protest by any means.

If the Op wants to raise awareness of the increase in death to Joe Q from pursuits, the thread starter could be shorter and contain better grammar.

My suggestion would be to approach the police in a polite manner.