Do we need to tighten our immigration policy?

**SS90** · 27th August 2010, 22:14

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...hijack-attempt

I am willing to bet that this woman will never be a productive member of society..... are we (the people) able to have her sent back to Somalia?

**Hans** · 27th August 2010, 23:19

Define ''productive member of society''.

**SS90** · 28th August 2010, 00:16

I don't think it is an ambigius statement Hans.

How about someone who contributes to the common good of the nation they call home.....be that their place of birth or otherwise.

I don't see that allowing Faeces throwing, aircraft highjacking, life threatening Muslims into a country contributes to the common good.

Maybe it does....... It makes natural Kiwi's look totally cultured, educated and civilised.

But I also feel that woman is showing signs of mental illness...... perhaps we should be burdend with her for th erest of her life.....

**marie_speeds** · 28th August 2010, 02:54

I think that most Kiwi's have absolutely no idea the level of stress and suffering or the horrors that refugees were subjected to in their homelands. Militia that run around systematically destroying villages, raping women, killing all the men, stealing children and/or mutilating them. Is it any wonder that some of the refugees that come into NZ are suffering from mental illness and post traumatic stress.

**SS90** · 28th August 2010, 05:58

Originally Posted by marie_speeds

I think that most Kiwi's have absolutely no idea the level of stress and suffering or the horrors that refugees were subjected to in their homelands. Militia that run around systematically destroying villages, raping women, killing all the men, stealing children and/or mutilating them. Is it any wonder that some of the refugees that come into NZ are suffering from mental illness and post traumatic stress.

I see.

I think you would have a different opinion if the experience this women put all those people through somehow effected you.

Like, for example, if you where a paasenger (or service crew) on this flight.

That is what I call a terrifying experience.

Post traumatic stress syndrome?

For HER victims, maybe.

I really have no problem with immigration (I live in Austria, and experienced immigration sress first hand), but, erm, I can tell you that in Austria, if an immigrant (be they an assylim seaker or otherwise) has a mental illness, there is no way in hell they would get in.

Same same if they committed ANY crime in teh first few years of residency.

NZ has enough trouble looking after it's own, why burden the tax payer with shit throwing high jackers.

Such events should cause her status to be revoked.

High jacked a plane for goodness sake!

**Clockwork** · 28th August 2010, 07:57

As I understand it, if she was an immigrant then there is every chance she would be deported (you read about this sort of thing quite often). I believe she's a refugee and I don't think refugees can be deported.

**ynot slow** · 28th August 2010, 08:42

Simple thing to me is our country our rules,applies to any country,i.e in muslim country if face mask required for women all must wear and other rules/customs.

**marie_speeds** · 28th August 2010, 09:03

Originally Posted by SS90

I see.

I think you would have a different opinion if the experience this women put all those people through somehow effected you.

Like, for example, if you where a paasenger (or service crew) on this flight.

That is what I call a terrifying experience.

Post traumatic stress syndrome?

For HER victims, maybe.

I really have no problem with immigration (I live in Austria, and experienced immigration sress first hand), but, erm, I can tell you that in Austria, if an immigrant (be they an assylim seaker or otherwise) has a mental illness, there is no way in hell they would get in.

Same same if they committed ANY crime in teh first few years of residency.

NZ has enough trouble looking after it's own, why burden the tax payer with shit throwing high jackers.

Such events should cause her status to be revoked.

High jacked a plane for goodness sake!

And I agree that the passengers and crew on the plane were no doubt terrified by their ordeal. My point was that no doubt she is suffering a mental illness given what she was witnessed in her homeland. To screen every refugee that comes into the country for mental illness is impossible. How trauma affects people is different. some will no doubt be suffering a mental illness, others no.There are peolple walking around everyday whom one would never know suffered a mental illness of some sort. Unless they are blatantly walking paranoidly around with weapons or hiding for days on end in there homes, one does not know. I remember an extract from JK's memoirs where he stated that he "came to" running down length of Eden Park with a ball under his arm and no bloody clue as to how he got there. Did anyone in the stands realise this? No! Mental illness of any sort is often hard to pick by people unless you are a trained professional. Or close to that person and realise that the behaviour they are exhibiting is out of character.

**SS90** · 28th August 2010, 09:17

Originally Posted by marie_speeds

And I agree that the passengers and crew on the plane were no doubt terrified by their ordeal. My point was that no doubt she is suffering a mental illness given what she was witnessed in her homeland. To screen every refugee that comes into the country for mental illness is impossible. How trauma affects people is different. some will no doubt be suffering a mental illness, others no.There are peolple walking around everyday whom one would never know suffered a mental illness of some sort. Unless they are blatantly walking paranoidly around with weapons or hiding for days on end in there homes, one does not know. I remember an extract from JK's memoirs where he stated that he "came to" running down length of Eden Park with a ball under his arm and no bloody clue as to how he got there. Did anyone in the stands realise this? No! Mental illness of any sort is often hard to pick by people unless you are a trained professional. Or close to that person and realise that the behaviour they are exhibiting is out of character.

Yes, I agree, and you make good points.

As far as I am aware, mental health (in the developed world), remains one of the most under funded of them all.

Not so much as in amount of money put in (mental health professionals cost a bomb, and, as such the limited funds get eaten up by a smaller amount of doctors
that other services.

With this in mind, how fair is it to burden the Kiwi system with this type of person, when it is clear the system already cannot cope with it's current populations demands.

Oh, I agree she is mentally ill (or she would have taken the plane down.... by the sound of it, she had opportunity to do so), and possibly not of sufficient mind to carry it out, rather than a terrorist acting on some extreme Koran interpretation, but, the reality is, A Muslim tried to bring down a plane, and now all of NZ will be looking after her for the rest of her life.

Great.

**marie_speeds** · 28th August 2010, 09:32

NZ has a quota each year for how many refugees we take in. Sometimes the UN ask NZ to take a few extra ones. The Govt does not take them in out of the kindness of it's heart. They are paid a substantial amount per head by the UN to take them. The housing, health, education etc initially forked out by the Govt to settle them here is a pittance compared to what they were paid. There are many refugees who will no doubt ultimately cost the tax payer money, but there is also a large number of them who will become integrated members of NZ society and pay their taxes like everyone else.

**Morcs** · 28th August 2010, 09:58

immigration laws need to be tightened up hardout.
I had to do so much to qualify getting in here, how can some useless fuck from somalia just walk in?

and i think the islanders quota should be scrapped too.
everyone should have to qualify through the same process - most of whom wont even be able to read the application form, so they will fail, and thats how it should be.

**SS90** · 28th August 2010, 10:25

We'll, that link has been removed..... In searching for more information, This is all I came across......pregnant huh?????

Oxygen thief or what?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/12/so...-pregnant.html

**JimO** · 28th August 2010, 10:36

Originally Posted by marie_speeds

And I agree that the passengers and crew on the plane were no doubt terrified by their ordeal. My point was that no doubt she is suffering a mental illness given what she was witnessed in her homeland. To screen every refugee that comes into the country for mental illness is impossible. How trauma affects people is different. some will no doubt be suffering a mental illness, others no.There are peolple walking around everyday whom one would never know suffered a mental illness of some sort. Unless they are blatantly walking paranoidly around with weapons or hiding for days on end in there homes, one does not know. I remember an extract from JK's memoirs where he stated that he "came to" running down length of Eden Park with a ball under his arm and no bloody clue as to how he got there. Did anyone in the stands realise this? No! Mental illness of any sort is often hard to pick by people unless you are a trained professional. Or close to that person and realise that the behaviour they are exhibiting is out of character.

we have enough nutcases of our own i dont see the need to import them, send the fat cow back where she came from

**Hans** · 28th August 2010, 10:42

Originally Posted by SS90

We'll, that link has been removed..... In searching for more information, This is all I came across......pregnant huh?????

Oxygen thief or what?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/12/so...-pregnant.html

Hate much on immigrants, immigrant? I'm just glad you've found a good place in Austria. If someone from the local village reads your posts on KB, you might even get your citizenship early. In the words of a Czech actor who immigrated to Austria for political reasons: When asked in an interview, what his first act as a new Austrian citizen would be... ''I will go buy some whitewash and write Auslaender raus on every wall!''

**Jonno.** · 28th August 2010, 10:45

Originally Posted by marie_speeds

And I agree that the passengers and crew on the plane were no doubt terrified by their ordeal. My point was that no doubt she is suffering a mental illness given what she was witnessed in her homeland. To screen every refugee that comes into the country for mental illness is impossible. How trauma affects people is different. some will no doubt be suffering a mental illness, others no.There are peolple walking around everyday whom one would never know suffered a mental illness of some sort. Unless they are blatantly walking paranoidly around with weapons or hiding for days on end in there homes, one does not know. I remember an extract from JK's memoirs where he stated that he "came to" running down length of Eden Park with a ball under his arm and no bloody clue as to how he got there. Did anyone in the stands realise this? No! Mental illness of any sort is often hard to pick by people unless you are a trained professional. Or close to that person and realise that the behaviour they are exhibiting is out of character.

Yeah it's just like that time JK held a plane hostage