Drink-driver killed on 18th offence

[Patrick]

For what it's worth, my opinion is this....... An accident is an accident, and there should always be grace, for an accident.....

HOWEVER, drinking alcohol, or taking drugs before getting behind the wheel of a vehicle is no accident, it is a willful decision one makes, and chooses.
If one gets behind the wheel after drinking or taking drugs, (prescription or not) and has an accident, and injures, maims or kills someone, then they have deliberately put themselves in that situation, and should face the consequences.

The law should send a sharp and pointed message to offenders, the law should have a mandatory responsibility to charge a person fitting to the result.

If:

Someone is killed: Manslaughter 8-10 years per fatality/ casualty. 50% minimum parole eligibility. (Sentences cumulative not concurrent.)

Someone seriously/ critically Injured: 5-8 years depending on the physical results.

Minor injuries/ Vehicle damage: 2-8 years.

All alcohol related offences should get jail time or Home Detention. No sympathy or warnings. Everyone knows its wrong, and what the consequences are. Its never the offender who is injured or killed, Its always the victims and their families who suffer.

Only my two cents worth. If you drink and drive, you should be shot at in the head with a 50 cal at 100 yards with a 10 second head start.

But don't forget, out in less than half the term imposed.

Make it a 25 cal bullet......... at 50 yards, with a 5 second head start....

[gazmascelle]

a good burnout on his face would sort him out.

[SS90]

While trying to keep it topical,

I have to wonder how someone gets 16 convictions for drink driving, he is over 40, so you could average it out I guess....... hmph! Still pretty high.

So, on his 16th offence he gets 3 months..... that seems low for the amount of offences does it not?....perhaps he had stayed out of trouble for long enough so th eJudge was leiniant on him when it came to sentencing that time.

4 years seems both a long time and a short time, (long from his perspective, and short from the victims) but as has been pointed out, he cleary has an issue with drinking..... I am 100% certain he will have to attend some sort of counciling in prison.

Does anyone know what the recidivism rate is for drink drivers, I would believe it is pretty high.... in some European countries, while the level is quite high for still being able to drive, there is 1 level that invalidates your insurance, (but you can still drive if you want, even if the cops stop you), and another that makes it illegal to drive.....Now, if you lose your license more than 3 times in Baveria (that has a high tolerance) for drink driving, you have to under go a mental health examination (which I am told is really really hard), and if you fail that (They want to know why you drink and drive, because only an idiot would do that, and an idiot should not be allowed on the road)....fail this test 2 times, and you will NEVER EVER get your license back, no matter what.

Perhaps we need the same rule.

[JimO]

h drinking. ...fail this test 2 times, and you will NEVER EVER get your license back, no matter what.

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only problem is you dont need a licence to drive a car

[Genie]

only problem is you dont need a licence to drive a car

You raise a valid point.

People that have repeatably driven while disqualified really dont' give a shit about rules..."rules are made to be broken", and the other funny is, "it's only illegal if you get caught".

These are mostly said in jest yet some in our society live by these motto's. Sad thing about this is not only did and innocent women get killed and her son grows up without a mother the offender appears to have no remorse and feels none of the consquesences for his actions. His addiction to alcohol totally overrides any sense of decency and humanity he may have once felt.

[candor]

Confiscate every car they are found in, why not have cops check regularly on these known menaces to ensure they are conducting their lives by bicycle, public transport and cadging rides. Meanie idea - don't serve this person posters put in servos and regular reporting to Police of how they are travelling. My org asked MoT to run a systyem of subsidised transport options eg taxis for the cretins but MoT said this would be seen as Nanny State so politically unfeasible.

We don't need this class to drive legally or illegally just so they can more easily stay in the workforce - which is MoTs justification for bending over backwards to enable licence reissues to clear cut unsuitables. This is insanity. The enabling system here is just as much to blame as the driver - go bereaved family and TGW go! Keep it up!

[scumdog]

Confiscate every car they are found in, why not have cops check regularly on these known menaces to ensure they are conducting their lives by bicycle, public transport and cadging rides. Meanie idea - don't serve this person posters put in servos and regular reporting to Police of how they are travelling. My org asked MoT to run a systyem of subsidised transport options eg taxis for the cretins but MoT said this would be seen as Nanny State so politically unfeasible.

We don't need this class to drive legally or illegally just so they can more easily stay in the workforce - which is MoTs justification for bending over backwards to enable licence reissues to clear cut unsuitables. This is insanity. The enabling system here is just as much to blame as the driver - go bereaved family and TGW go! Keep it up!

Yep, chase down any driver who won't stop for Police - they might be a recidivist drink driver.....

[candor]

Stop chasing me.

[scumdog]

Stop chasing me.

Why?

You drunk???

[FJRider]

Yep, chase down any driver who won't stop for Police - they might be a recidivist drink driver.....

Shoot on sight .... the killing must stop ...

[boman]

But don't forget, out in less than half the term imposed.

Make it a 25 cal bullet......... at 50 yards, with a 5 second head start....

Make it a 30mm Gatling gun at 100 m. That will save burial cost too.

[marty]

Confiscate every car they are found in, why not have cops check regularly on these known menaces to ensure they are conducting their lives by bicycle, public transport and cadging rides. Meanie idea - don't serve this person posters put in servos and regular reporting to Police of how they are travelling. My org asked MoT to run a systyem of subsidised transport options eg taxis for the cretins but MoT said this would be seen as Nanny State so politically unfeasible.

We don't need this class to drive legally or illegally just so they can more easily stay in the workforce - which is MoTs justification for bending over backwards to enable licence reissues to clear cut unsuitables. This is insanity. The enabling system here is just as much to blame as the driver - go bereaved family and TGW go! Keep it up!

What if he does a runner - would this driver fit into your justified pursuit policy?

[FJRider]

What if he does a runner - would this driver fit into your justified pursuit policy?

Depends on what "caliber" of pursuit is used ...

[YellowDog]

Excludes: non mind or personal control altering medications........ owh except Viagra, I mean its ok if you are hard enough to handle it...........

If you take Viagra and drive a car, in the event of a crash your stiffy might puncture the airbag.

Best not to risk it !

[oldrider]

Interesting discussion on another forum.

Man killed a woman after driving drunk and crashing into her. Got four years in jail.
I reckon the fuckwit should have been charged with murder and put away for fucking ages.

What's the Kiwibikers opinions?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...n-18th-offence

Lock him up and throw away the key and put all the Judge's and lawyers who let him off so lightly all the other times, in there with him!

The so called legal and justice system in NZ is a bloody joke!