Gear safety message

[Quasievil]

As a proof, I would like to nominate my AGV Sport (one of the reputable brand as we know it) leather suit with double-density foam back protector, elbow protectors and shoulder protectors which have been crash-tested multiple times (on road as well as high speed track offs) without fail.

Just curious to know which model do you have, AGV Sport note in most product descriptions CE armour shoulders Elbows and Knees then in the next sentence usually refer to the dual density foam back pad as just that, with no reference to certifications.

[Str8 Jacket]

• The statement has no foundation nor does it have any use as the dodgy suppliers are not named, thus for those who can not gauge the safety or quality it is pointless.
  
• Trade-Me will on evidence take down the auctions and may also ban the trader and secondly as this is supposedly an issue of safety take the evidence to consumer affairs and request they look into it as well.
  
• Otherwise the information is pure scaremongering and a part of the on going crap between the various second tier suppliers of riding gear as we have seen before

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Exactly!!! In other words, put your money where your mouth is.

[Biggles08]

Exactly!!! In other words, put your money where your mouth is.

So he can once again get 'bagged' for dissing other peoples products!?

I think this is a very valid point and in fact I would not be walking, or possibly even alive had I not been wearing a back protector back in November 2007.

I had a bad crash and ended up under the rear of a car. I was wearing a Sidi Back Protector at the time and I'm sure this is the only reason I am still walking. along with many other breaks and injury's, I busted my back in two places, T7 and T9 in the crash but both breaks were stable...had I not had a protector on I'm sure at the best I would be permanently in a chair.

I'm very passionate about this issue for these reasons and I also think Quasi is right in his "one man crusade" to defend the quality of good motorcycle protection.

[Quasievil]

Exactly!!! In other words, put your money where your mouth is.

So much Anger ........as usual............ everytime .........all the time.........sheeesh

[Scouse]

So much Anger ........as usual............ everytime .........all the time.........sheeesh

Pot...........Kettle.........Black?......... sheeesh

[phill-k]

So much Anger ........as usual............ everytime .........all the time.........sheeesh

Actually mate its a fair call, I mean if I was to say you were gay on here and did so without posting the photos to prove it how would anyone know that it was just a bloke who was just pissed with you. The photos are the proof to back my allegations.

you have levelled some serious allegations about other peoples products, I support that however in making those allegations you need to demonstrate proof, rather than tarring all the Trade Me suppliers with the same brush. After all if you have the evidence you can hardly be accused of liable.

[Usarka]

Chill out kids.

Here's the same message reworded:

Be careful when buying gear because a lot of stuff is sold as having a back protector when it's actually just a piece of foam which doesn't do shit.

No need to name and shame. Have a nice day.

[Biggles08]

Actually mate its a fair call, I mean if I was to say you were gay on here and did so without posting the photos to prove it how would anyone know that it was just a bloke who was just pissed with you. The photos are the proof to back my allegations.

you have levelled some serious allegations about other peoples products, I support that however in making those allegations you need to demonstrate proof, rather than tarring all the Trade Me suppliers with the same brush. After all if you have the evidence you can hardly be accused of liable.

He's damned if he does (Oh there goes Quasi ranting about other peoples products again) and he's damned if he does (oh there goes Quasi with no proof to back up his claims).

I suggest you take heed of his message phill-k rather than questioning his intent. Be aware that some people do indeed call a piece of foam a back protector when in fact its a piece of foam....thats all

[Biggles08]

Chill out kids.

Here's the same message reworded:

Be careful when buying gear because a lot of stuff is sold as having a back protector when it's actually just a piece of foam which doesn't do shit.

No need to name and shame. Have a nice day.

well articulated Usarka

[Quasievil]

Chill out kids.

Here's the same message reworded:

Be careful when buying gear because a lot of stuff is sold as having a back protector when it's actually just a piece of foam which doesn't do shit.

No need to name and shame. Have a nice day.

Thanks, you have a nice day to mate

He's damned if he does (Oh there goes Quasi ranting about other peoples products again) and he's damned if he does (oh there goes Quasi with no proof to back up his claims).

I think people just dont like me :-(

[onearmedbandit]

I think people just dont like me :-(

What??? After all this time and effort we've all put in, and you only just 'think' you're not liked. God, what does it take to get through to some people.

[Quasievil]

Just to back it up a tad Here are the CE standards

EN 1621-1
Protection against mechanical impact on motorcyclists
Separate or combined protectors for shoulder, elbow, hips and knees – the most endangered parts of the body. Except for the test criteria, described below, the standard also describes the shape and how large the protected area should be.

Test method: Every protector is hit with a steel object nine times in various places, corresponding to a force of 50 J. The transferred force from the nine hits to the other side may, on average, not exceed 35 kN. And no single impact may exceed 50 kN. Every protector must be approved through these tests in order to have its CE-label.

EN 1621-2
Back protector for motorcyclists
The back protector should protect the spine and the soft-tissue areas next to the spine against blows and impacts. These tests simulate falls against pavement stones and corners. To receive approval the protector must also have the proper fit and comfort and cover enough of the back.

Test method: Five places on the protector are hit with a steel object in the form of a paving stone, on at least five places on the protector, with singular extra hits on the known weak points. To qualify for the higher standard (Level 2) the energy of the hits should be 50 J. The average figure of the force transferred to inner side of the protector may not exceed 9 kN. And no singular impact may exceed 12 kN. For „Level 1“ the average figure may not exceed 18 kN and no singular impact 24 kN.

here is some product descriptions from Trademe

* CE Certified protectors shoulders, elbows and back (EN1621-1:1997:-Type A)

FULL REMOVABLE CE APPROVED PROTECTORS AT SHOULDERS,BACK AND
ELBOWS

* CE Certified protectors shoulders, elbows and back

Removable CE Hard Armour in the elbows, shoulders and knees. It also has a CE Duel Density foam back protector and thigh protecors

It has CE-approved full removable armour in back,

3. CE-approved armours in elbows, shoulders, back bone, hips & knees - EASILY REMOVEABLE.

The CE certified armour on the elbows, the shouders and the back.

Foam CE Certified protectors in the Back



And the suspect comments go on and on.

Most of these are from Auctions where the Items will sell under $150, now ask yourself a couple of questions

1/ Do you think that little bit of foam is up to that test (as above)
2/ Will you trust it on your back to provide the required protection in a crash?

The Answer of course is No and No

You will note one trader quotes a certification for a back that doesn't even apply to back protectors.

So the message as noted above is be careful, I can assure you that the majority of these have no CE rated back Armour in them at all.

So my view is to post a thread warning about this safety issue........Im comfortable with this thread and Im not apologizing for trying to look after biker safety, and thats my business

[Marmoot]

Just curious to know which model do you have, AGV Sport note in most product descriptions CE armour shoulders Elbows and Knees then in the next sentence usually refer to the dual density foam back pad as just that, with no reference to certifications.

Can't remember what model it was. I bought it in 1999. Still holding strong after a few spills and 11 years, though.

[Str8 Jacket]

So much Anger ........as usual............ everytime .........all the time.........sheeesh

I work in Procurement and work with different types of markets going to tender and managing contracts/ categories for services from IT to Facilities to buying BMW's for parliament. I have seen it all and TBH when/if vendors ever indulge in behaviour constatntly bagging the opposition such as what you display on KB I tend to hear alarm bells.

Sorry if my opinion doesn't float your boat.

[MsKABC]

The statement has no foundation nor does it have any use as the dodgy suppliers are not named, thus for those who can not gauge the safety or quality it is pointless. This is the reason why I suggested the author of this thread if he really is concerned should firstly approach Trade-Me as they will on evidence take down the auctions and may also ban the trader and secondly as this is supposedly an issue of safety take the evidence to consumer affairs and request they look into it as well. Otherwise the information is pure scaremongering and a part of the on going crap between the various second tier suppliers of riding gear as we have seen before.

Bollocks.

Do your homework, ask questions of the seller, and ask to see pictures of the so-called back protectors. If you don't get appropriate answers, move on.

If Quasi named names, he would most definitely then be accused of bagging the competition. Sounds to me like you are just setting a trap for him.