Gear safety message

[pritch]

Otherwise the information is pure scaremongering and a part of the on going crap between the various second tier suppliers of riding gear as we have seen before.

Not necessarily, it could be a worthwhile discussion if it raises awareness.

Im not sure if this discussion relates to what might be called "second tier". I have a Spidi textile jacket which has a foam insert in the back. The armour in the shoulders and elbows is more substantial than what's in the back, but I am aware of the shortcomings of the back armour.

I have a Spidi leather jacket with optional back protector. This is more robust, but is still nowhere near as good as a "strap on" back protector.

None of the foregoing should be construed as negative criticism, I have other expensive gear that appears to offer less crash protection, although better weather protection.

As always, security is a trade-off against convenience. We could all get around looking like Bibendum (the "Michelin man") but that wouldn't be very convenient and certainly not cool...

Anyhoo I'm too old to worry about being cool

[saltydog]

Wow. Are those two mates in wheelchairs as the direct result of using inferior back-protectors?

What a cheeky cunt. I'm with Quasi. All he's trying to do is stop some new-bie from buying a "foam" back protector thinking that it will actually perform like a real B.P.

[Quasievil]

What a cheeky cunt. I'm with Quasi. All he's trying to do is stop some new-bie from buying a "foam" back protector thinking that it will actually perform like a real B.P.

Basically, but we are on KB and there are long term plonkers that like the bagging of anyone with a profile................its a kiwi thing

[pc220]

Usually I have doubted the motives of Quasi in these threads, but this time even I can see it for what it is. A genuine concern for the safety of others. It has certainly made me take a closer look at that piece of foam in the back of my jacket.

Thank you Quasi for the warning.

[FROSTY:Me]

A bit of a history lesson from Ye awd days. Way back when back protectors were unheard of for racers let alone road riders. Then someone noticed that competition HORSE riders were starting to wear the dual density foam back protectors.
We started to use these before it became a legal requirement to wear em for racing.
So technically they are "back protectors".
I'd argue the toss with Quasi on the "they are useless" front because they do offer some protection in an impact crash and having er "kissed the tarmac" in a then current set of Scarletti leathers with one of those foam protectors It did make a definite difference.

That all said --technlogy has moved a heck of a long way forwards since the 80's and
The level of body protection available with modern armour is amazing --You'd be a fool not to take advantage of it

[Quasievil]

I'd argue the toss with Quasi on the "they are useless" front because they do offer some protection in an impact crash and having er "kissed the tarmac"

you can but youd be wrong.

The fact you kissed the tarmac is not good but you didnt hurt your back as you clearly didnt impact it hard.........low slide maybe
did a bike crash into your back, did you crash into a curb ?

Back Protectors are NOT made of sleeping Matt foam, and they do require some technology and testing to become a Back Protector.

[FROSTY:Me]

you can but youd be wrong.

The fact you kissed the tarmac is not good but you didnt hurt your back as you clearly didnt impact it hard.........low slide maybe
did a bike crash into your back, did you crash into a curb ?

Back Protectors are NOT made of sleeping Matt foam, and they do require some technology and testing to become a Back Protector.

No you're apsolutely right I only slid over a "ripple" strip (corrogated concrete edge of castrol) on my back then had the bike that caused the crash hit me in my back and run up and punch my lid into the ground. so yea it was a gentle crash by all accounts. Mind you this was 20 years ago when men were men and I was 10 feet tall and bulletproof.
Ive still got the darned leathers round here somewheres complete with tyre mark.

[Quasievil]

No you're apsolutely right I only slid over a "ripple" strip (corrogated concrete edge of castrol) on my back then had the bike that caused the crash hit me in my back and run up and punch my lid into the ground. so yea it was a gentle crash by all accounts. Mind you this was 20 years ago when men were men and I was 10 feet tall and bulletproof.
Ive still got the darned leathers round here somewheres complete with tyre mark.

Okay, so your message then is dont wear back protectors, wear foam and you will be fine because amazingly for you after being hit in the back by a bike youre ok so everyone else will be to?
Good one Frosty

[pc220]

No you're apsolutely right I only slid over a "ripple" strip (corrogated concrete edge of castrol) on my back then had the bike that caused the crash hit me in my back and run up and punch my lid into the ground. so yea it was a gentle crash by all accounts. Mind you this was 20 years ago when men were men and I was 10 feet tall and bulletproof.
Ive still got the darned leathers round here somewheres complete with tyre mark.

So all in all just a bit of an oopps moment ?

[FROSTY:Me]

Okay, so your message then is dont wear back protectors, wear foam and you will be fine because amazingly for you after being hit in the back by a bike youre ok so everyone else will be to?
Good one Frosty

NOPE--show me anywhere I said that?? YOU are making a sweeping statement that dual density foam in bike gear offers no impact protection.
Do I feel that a propper back protecter is a good idea to be worn YES
Do I feel that dual density foam offers no impact protection NO

[stify]

I was 10 feet tall.

dude...you have never been ten feet tall....5 foot 8 at a pinch...

[Scouse]

dude...you have never been ten feet tall....5 foot 8 at a pinch...

stifman long time no see

[FROSTY:Me]

Just to be clear here folks in NO way am I advocating not wearing a seperate QUALITY back protector when out for a ride.
Going back in time we used what was available to us. Nowadays there is no excuse.

[stify]

stifman long time no see

for sure...hiding in the bay of plenty these days...might catch ya on a coro run come summer time

[Scouse]

for sure...hiding in the bay of plenty these days...might catch ya on a coro run come summer time

I fookin hope so