Something big??

[idb]

ahhh - sorry - have i missed something?
how is it obviously society has failed him?
all we know is he took hostages and shot at cops, isn't it?
please explain, as to me so far he looks like someone who decided that shooting a gun at the cops and random strangers was ok.

Answering irony with irony eh? Very clever!

Reading this forum I understand how dangerous these m.o.t.o.r.w.a.y. things that you all write about are, but I didn't realise how dangerous.

On the other hand perhaps he has found a way of cutting through the snarl-ups?

[spudchucka]

A cop on the news tonight said he is charged with three counts of kidnapping and will face possibly as many as 20 other serious charges.

[Zed]

NZ Herald
07.06.05

"An elderly Chinese woman taken hostage with her husband and son in the weekend carjacking suffered a broken rib during the ordeal.

Police do not believe the injury happened when the family's car was forced off the road by members of the armed offenders squad.

The "rolling block" action ended a 45-minute drama that began when a vehicle failed to stop for police in the suburb of Newton on Sunday...

A 34-year-old man appeared in the Auckland District Court yesterday on three charges of kidnapping, and more charges are expected.

Leonard Archer Hall, of Glendene, entered no plea and was remanded in custody to reappear today.

Hall, who has full facial tattoos, was handcuffed for his brief appearance in front of justice of the peace Keith Evans. As he left the court, Hall thrust his arms in the air and yelled "Sieg Heil ... Mongrel Mob" in the direction of the public gallery, where two women were sitting."

Whole article

[scumdog]

NZ Herald
07.06.05

"An elderly Chinese woman taken hostage with her husband and son in the weekend carjacking suffered a broken rib during the ordeal.

Police do not believe the injury happened when the family's car was forced off the road by members of the armed offenders squad.

The "rolling block" action ended a 45-minute drama that began when a vehicle failed to stop for police in the suburb of Newton on Sunday...

A 34-year-old man appeared in the Auckland District Court yesterday on three charges of kidnapping, and more charges are expected.

Leonard Archer Hall, of Glendene, entered no plea and was remanded in custody to reappear today.

Hall, who has full facial tattoos, was handcuffed for his brief appearance in front of justice of the peace Keith Evans. As he left the court, Hall thrust his arms in the air and yelled "Sieg Heil ... Mongrel Mob" in the direction of the public gallery, where two women were sitting."

Whole article

Hall sounds like a right dick, he must have two cocks 'cause you can't get that fucked in the head just playing with one....

I noticed in last nights news that the empty cartridges lying on the ground looked a reasonable size, 7.62 X 39?? or 308W?

[scumdog]

Ha, Arnies 'gun' would be the last thing I'd pick (stopped making them about 1897) and where would you put all the hostages AS WELL as your two rifles if you were doing a runner on your bike??

BTW just a PT on post #18 by justsomeguy.

[MSTRS:Me]

Hall sounds like a right dick, he must have two cocks 'cause you can't get that fucked in the head just playing with one....

I noticed in last nights news that the empty cartridges lying on the ground looked a reasonable size, 7.62 X 39?? or 308W?

Looked right. Pity the cops involved didn't protect themselves properly.

[Zed]

...and where would you put all the hostages AS WELL as your two rifles if you were doing a runner on your bike??

Hehe, I've seen pics of families of up to six (Philippines) riding on one scooter!! NOT funny though. Hall would be an utter moron to try that!

[crashe]

well this dude lived a tad close to comfort for me....
since he lives in Glendene...
Im in Tat South and I am very close to bordering on the Glendene area...
Would good to see a pic of him to see if I do recognise him...
as there are a few around the area with full facial tats.

Heck I even spoke to the dude that killed the ACC lady a couple of years ago in Lincoln Rd Henderson...he came into the office I worked at back then..... Treated him with kid gloves (mental health) but never expected him to kill anyone... I had dealings with him on numerous occassions back then.

[Lou Girardin]

Hall sounds like a right dick, he must have two cocks 'cause you can't get that fucked in the head just playing with one....

I noticed in last nights news that the empty cartridges lying on the ground looked a reasonable size, 7.62 X 39?? or 308W?

They looked like .308's, so God knows where the stray rounds went. But why did the cops fire at a car containing hostages? It's not as if they didn't know they were in the car. Who's doing Police firearms training now, Clint Eastwood?

[Lou Girardin]

I didn't realise that another person was driving. Its an interesting one, as you say, it may be argued that he had control of the vehicle, however I think it unlikely that he would be charged with any driving offence considering the gravity of the other charges he is likely to face.

They'll probably charge the hostage and let the court decide. :

[scumdog]

They looked like .308's, so God knows where the stray rounds went. But why did the cops fire at a car containing hostages? It's not as if they didn't know they were in the car. Who's doing Police firearms training now, Clint Eastwood?

Nobody has yet said WHAT the cops fired at, we'll just have to wait and see. (maybe somebody had a deadly looking golf-club??)

Wish it was Clint Eastwood, would love to say "I know what you're thinking punk, did I fire 16 shots or 17? feeling lucky?"

But it wouldn't work here 'cos most of the slack-jawed, mouth-breathing, improvident, lack-witted oxygen thieves that try to pass themselves off as 'bad-asses' (bad breathes more likely) are incapable of counting into the double figures.

[Eyetie]

No doubt he will get the automatic parole after a third of his sentence, then after a prison officer swears at him applies for legal aid then sues the corrections department for a hundred K and gets out on a nice nest egg for his 5 years inside.
Beats working for a living PT.

[crashe]

Crashe the Mob Headquarters is in View Road Glendene.
He probably gave this as his address.

Thanks Speedmedic.. well that ain't far from me at all...BUTT far enough....
Henderson Bikes is on View Rd...(the bottom end thou)
View Road is a decent length of Road... I go up and down it quite regular and never noticed their headquarters... Guess the neighbours have a nice time living next door to them.

View Road goes from Railside Ave up to Gt Nth Rd.

There used to be another gang headquarters next door to a old gas station across the road from Border Rd, out the back of Henderson...... wonder if its the same group and moved closer or another gang.?

[Zed]

NZ Herald

07.06.05 1.00pm

"The man police say fired several shots during an armed kidnapping and hostage drama in Auckland at the weekend was dragged out of court today after he abused the media.

Hall was dragged out of the dock in Auckland District Court and back to the cells after his appearance which lasted less than a minute."

Whole article

[spudchucka]

Spud. do you think he will serve the sentences consecutivly or concurrently. (All at the same time or one after the other for those that dont know what that means)?

Who can say? It depends on the Judge. There needs to be a great deal more cumulative sentences for multiple serious offences. These arseholes know that when they go nuts like this they are unlikely to get a cumulative sentence and spend a large part of their life behind bars.