Revolting teachers!

[mashman]

I dont know how anybody could support a whole workforce basically holding their employer to ransom by not doing their job.

Mr John Doe and his cobbers that work at KFC would have had their Backsides booted out the door years ago.

Its education, not bloody monopoly.

oh the irony... the govt tell us what THEY need in regards to taxes etc... except we hand it over without batting an eyelid... (and they bail out private institutions with our money, teachers are only educating kids )

Give the teachers more money after all, it's only money

[nodrog:Me]

oh the irony... the govt tell us what THEY need in regards to taxes etc... except we hand it over without batting an eyelid... (and they bail out private institutions with our money, teachers are only educating kids )

Give the teachers more money after all, it's only money

I see you neglected to quote rest of my post which puts it into context.

What makes teachers so special, that they feel the need to try and force their employer to increase their pay above and beyond the salary that they knew they would be getting before they signed up?

It would be like joining the Army and sitting down in the middle of a war, because all of a sudden "I dont get paid enough for this".

If everybody who didnt like what they got paid went on strike, the whole country would be shut.

Fanny

[avgas]

Give the teachers more money after all, it's only money

I dunno - they haven't told us what they did with the last lot of money we gave em.
The stuff doesn't grow on trees y'know.
Someday, teachers will have to be taught this lesson - may as well be today.

I mean what kind of parents would we be if we let teachers stomp their feet, cry they won't work unless they get way......you can't just give them more money.

Imagine what will happen when they get out in the big wide world. They will be unprepared.

(note : the word "teachers" is interchangeable with "kids")

[mashman]

I see you neglected to quote rest of my post which puts it into context.

What makes teachers so special, that they feel the need to try and force their employer to increase their pay above and beyond the salary that they knew they would be getting before they signed up?

It would be like joining the Army and sitting down in the middle of a war, because all of a sudden "I dont get paid enough for this".

If everybody who didnt like what they got paid went on strike, the whole country would be shut.

Fanny

Changed that, although I don't see how the rest of your post added to the context. Just offering the minority opinion .

But Teachers taking a paycut, inflation/cost of living/levy increases is ok? Why are we paying for MP perks when they don't live up to ANY OF THEIR PROMISES (and only ever make their employers lives harder)? I'd value teachers over MP's every day of the week...

And i bet the govt would instantly fold and throw money at the Army if they did... after all they're fighting for democracy and freedom

lol, I live in hope funny that, if we don't get paid well enough by our employer, we're encouraged leave and find another that pays more money... Good job too, we coulda ended up with a closed country

[mashman]

I dunno - they haven't told us what they did with the last lot of money we gave em.
The stuff doesn't grow on trees y'know.
Someday, teachers will have to be taught this lesson - may as well be today.

I mean what kind of parents would we be if we let teachers stomp their feet, cry they won't work unless they get way......you can't just give them more money.

Imagine what will happen when they get out in the big wide world. They will be unprepared.

(note : the word "teachers" is interchangeable with "kids")

Likely paid off student loans and got rid of some of the debt that they had accrued since the last pay increase ... the cost of living never stops going up and up and up and up and up... shame the same can't be said for salaries... They must need a life consolidation lesson...

Yes you can, the stuff grows on trees. And Teachers love climbing trees.

... and underpaid, understaffed, underresourced and under valued by all... what chance do they have to have a fair say. Perhaps when the reccession is over, if there's any money left

[merv]

Comes around again to my point earlier in this thread, how come in 1978 a teacher was paid roughly the same as a backbench MP, now the MP gets twice what a teacher does?

Where the hell did parity go.

[Smifffy]

Likely paid off student loans and got rid of some of the debt that they had accrued since the last pay increase ... the cost of living never stops going up and up and up and up and up... shame the same can't be said for salaries... They must need a life consolidation lesson...

Yes you can, the stuff grows on trees. And Teachers love climbing trees.

... and underpaid, understaffed, underresourced and under valued by all... what chance do they have to have a fair say. Perhaps when the reccession is over, if there's any money left

So the cost of living is only going up for teachers, and the rest of us are sitting back on piles of filthy lucre, laughing up our sleeves at them?

[nodrog:Me]

"Teachers’ overall pay, including base salary and allowances, has increased by 49.6% since 2000, Secretary for Education Karen Sewell said today.

“This average increase is well ahead of the Consumer Price Index increase of 30.2% in the same period,” Karen Sewell said"

http://www.minedu.govt.nz/theMinistr...eacherPay.aspx

Yes the Teachers have it tough alright.

Fanny

[mashman]

So the cost of living is only going up for teachers, and the rest of us are sitting back on piles of filthy lucre, laughing up our sleeves at them?

someone certainly is... hmmmm, now let me see where did i see that, ahhhh yes

how come in 1978 a teacher was paid roughly the same as a backbench MP, now the MP gets twice what a teacher does?

[Smifffy]

someone certainly is... hmmmm, now let me see where did i see that, ahhhh yes

Because, as the industry shifted to china, and import tariffs came off in the 80's, walk shorts and sandals became far cheaper to purchase, where as designer suits and boxers did not.

MP's are grossly overpaid as well, and if they decided to go on strike for more pay I'd be all for locking the bastards out.

[mashman]

"Teachers’ overall pay, including base salary and allowances, has increased by 49.6% since 2000, Secretary for Education Karen Sewell said today.

“This average increase is well ahead of the Consumer Price Index increase of 30.2% in the same period,” Karen Sewell said"

http://www.minedu.govt.nz/theMinistr...eacherPay.aspx

Yes the Teachers have it tough alright.

Fanny

whew, thanks for that, I thought the teachers were asking for more money because they needed it, but obviously they don't because the Consumer Price Index says so...

[avgas]

Likely paid off student loans

I thought that was what the Scholarships were for?
Seeing as there is a 50% chance you will get one......

Meanwhile IRD take 20% of my pay for my loans (I am paying more that min-req so I can get rid of it).
Don't worry it builds character. However i feel perhaps my character is rather dark and evil in the teachers fairy tale.

[mashman]

Because, as the industry shifted to china, and import tariffs came off in the 80's, walk shorts and sandals became far cheaper to purchase, where as designer suits and boxers did not.

MP's are grossly overpaid as well, and if they decided to go on strike for more pay I'd be all for locking the bastards out.

I suppose exporting $2billion to China and importing $4billion from China was a wise trade agreement to make then... especially as both parties want to double it...

[gijoe1313]

I've been beating my class around the head, reinforcing ideas and of course at this stage, stemming the sudden hysteria and panic now that some have realised that exams are near.

Stopped a fight, stopped one from burning down the class, marked several assessments after being re-submitted again (and again).

Just another typical day! Have just informed class of possible impending strike action - my year 11s are aghast that they have the first hit, usual cheers and jeers.

The great thing about all of this is at least it provides another distraction to my workload! :slap:

Ah well, if we get the extra money, I'd only just waste it on my bikes and petrol, oil and lubricants for them! (but since there are about 8 strike days planned, thats a weeks income down the gurgler - I dunno if the gubbermint would agree to pay us for a day when we are down a class! )

Oh, must go - suddenly I have a visceral increase of learners who suddenly feel the need to complete assessment work and do some study now!

I spoke too soon! Just had to pull a large heavy bench off a kid who somehow managed to end up beneath it :slap:

[avgas]

Comes around again to my point earlier in this thread, how come in 1978 a teacher was paid roughly the same as a backbench MP, now the MP gets twice what a teacher does?
Where the hell did parity go.

Ummmm the backbenchers whom were always vultures - got smart?

Either that or one could assume the education system has dropped the ball.

Either way bend over general public.