Revolting teachers!

[slofox]

Soooo...I daresay we will all be taking the same attitudes to these blokes, yes..?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10655960

[Oscar]

$'s is all its about, never anything else. Theres alot of jobs that havent and arent kept up with inflation and comparing to alot of jobs, teachers get it very good.

If teachers have it so good, how come all the experienced ones are off overseas?

[oldrider]

Oops touched a few nerves here!! Your big swerve to the right has seen you miss the points made entirely. Nearly all teachers are there for the satisfaction-they would not do it for the $$. If you reviewed previous posts here you would see that hourly rates are poor compensation for the hours put in. That is the reality of teaching.We are here because we try to make a contribution, but we would like our efforts appreciated appropriately. Please review my previous posts FULLY about why teachers feel the need for industrial action. I think teachers are well aware they will struggle to get public support at this time, but believe in the principle and aims of their action enough to battle for them.
As to your assertion that nothing ever changes in education-perhaps that is your myopic perception, but here in 2010, I can assure you things have moved on from your time.
As to your idea about some imaginary pay scale based on somehow identifying which teachers are better than others-it is you who should pull your head out of your arse, and join us back in the real world, if only so you can crank up the mobility scooter so you can go and vote ACT or whatever other political crackpots might share your view.

You just don't get it do you, "you" are the one with the problems, not me!

Nothing will change, (in "your" employment conditions) see you when this starts all over again next year!

[Smifffy]

To be fair to those teaching (and striking) currently I doubt there are that many left in the game from the last dispute.

[Robert Taylor]

Funny how many middle-aged men retain bitter memories of their school-days which colour their view of the teaching profession even today. Does it ever occur to them that if teachers had had higher status back then, if teaching had been valued as a profession in the way medicine, engineering and law were, there might have been fewer drongos, time-servers and sadists in the job? When the current popular opinion was "Men who can, do; men who can't, teach" it was not surprising that many talented people preferred other occupations.
At times of severe teacher shortages back in the sixties the main qualification for being put in front of a class was having a pulse. (Even so we had some doubts about some of our teachers...)
It is nevertheless likely that most of the aforesaid middle-aged men who complain so bitterly about their schooldays received a better education than they care to admit, even if it was sometimes achieved in spite of the teachers rather than because of them. Their perception is distorted by the vividness of a child's experiences of injustice, hypocrisy and other wrongs (all of which occurred from time to time), and they forget either the positive contribution of the teacher or the fact that they themselves were reluctant or resistant participants in their own education.

In fairness I remember some really good teachers but also I vividly remember one teacher openly espousing communism. Thats just wrong.

[cowpoos]

i heard on the radio that the 'revolting' teachers get between $27-$35/hr.
tuff life.

p.s. can't say i envy them.

no...it more like 53 - 70 an hour [my partner is a secondary teacher...and was apposed to the strike...on the grounds that they are being unrealistic and pathetic]

[cowpoos]

The salary of a teacher divided by the actual hours of work done is less than slave labour.

Bullshit......you are a liar!

[cowpoos]

Yeah ... naaa ... If you work 60 to 70 hours some weeks during term time .. put up with the crap and shit ... and the students as well ... you need a break or you'd go crazy and do something else ...

Teaching is the most fatiguing job I've ever had and without the breaks I wouldn't do it

If your doing those hours your highly disorganised from what I've been told.

[cowpoos]

After a four year degree (with honours) and a year teacher training starting salary is 45K before tax. A nurse starts on 45 with an ordinary degree (3years).

Nurses have to do shift work...all hours....have a fraction of the time off [remember teachers get 12 wks payed]

[rapid van cleef]

so many people dont know what they are talking about with this issue. its quite scary really

[Oscar]

Nurses have to do shift work...all hours....have a fraction of the time off [remember teachers get 12 wks payed]

So what?
The salary reflects this.

In fact it's stupid small minded comments like this that only inflame the situation.
What would you have them do?
Dig ditches during the holidays?

There is no disputing the fact, that for their level of education, teachers are relatively low paid. Some of this is related to their workings hours and I don't think you'll find a teacher that will dispute this.

However, the salary is now too low relative to other professions and overseas standards and working conditions are also sub par. This is having a direct effect on teacher recruitment.

My wife is a High School DP, but also specialises in new teacher assessment in conjunction with the local University. She despairs of the standard of student that is currently being attracted to the profession.

This is our kids education we're talking about here, people.
We are getting what we pay for...

[Robert Taylor]

so many people dont know what they are talking about with this issue. its quite scary really

Its simple, we are in the middle of a recession where many industries have had to batten down the hatches and accept that the returns just arent there. And we have a national body that is out of step with that reality.

[rapid van cleef]

like i said...

[cowpoos]

In fact it's stupid small minded comments like this that only inflame the situation.
What would you have them do?
Dig ditches during the holidays?

no...its these comparisons that show the level of things.

and replys like yours that make teacher claims in this current situation look unrealistic.

There is no disputing the fact, that for their level of education, teachers are relatively low paid. Some of this is related to their workings hours and I don't think you'll find a teacher that will dispute this.

actually not really. a teacher with an english degree ain't worth shit in the REAL word....same goes for alot of the other current degrees teachers have.
I would make and exception for maths degrees. they can earn great money else where.

and we need to stop talking about the starting rate...the average is $65 K or something....and the hours are the biggest Lie. Teacher lye like shit about thier hours. A few [HOD's,DP's,etc] will do reasonable hours. the rest are highly disorganised and or lazy.

I've showed my partner alot of the posts supporting teachers on this thread...and she thought most of it was a crock...She did how ever mention that the Teacher Aids and support staff are far to often over look and poorly treated.
she agrees with lower class sizes. as would any sane person.

she is also leaving the Union after the holidays. She is embarassed by the rubbish and lies.

She also agrees with someone elses post about individual contracts. negociating your own deal with the Princapal,etc good teachers would get a premium. and deservedly so.

[Ocean1]

My wife is a High School DP, but also specialises in new teacher assessment in conjunction with the local University. She despairs of the standard of student that is currently being attracted to the profession.

This is our kids education we're talking about here, people.
We are getting what we pay for...

Tempting to say that we're getting what we made, dude. And that few professional societies or industrial representitives are happy with the standard of students attracted to their workplaces.

But I'll refrain.