Revolting teachers!

[MSTRS:Me]

Bullshit example.

Have a look at another of my post - it depends on the home life and how much the family values education ...

Someone wuith an IQ below 100 (even though I think that's a bullshit measure of nothing ...) is never going to be a high achiever, no matter how much effort is put in .. and in schools it probably isn't ...

My point is that the extra assistance provided by TAs is almost always directed at the 'dumb' classes. Which to me is a waste of a valuable resource.

[gijoe1313]

Stone the flamin' crows, flipp'n Nora! Didn't think such a big storm in a tea cup would occur over this!

All I know is that fortunately coming from a line of hard working chinks holding down several jobs at once, everything is relative. Being a treacher must have been the singular most insane thing I have done - since I already work enough not being a treacher!

Feck, all I know is that there the vast majority of treachers are committed to their charges and try their darndest to do their bit in getting some semblance of edjumcacation gestating.

Like all parts of society, there are some feckers who need to be shoved into a holding pen with the dregs that are in the school system, good, bad and ugly treachers abound.

I know based on experience, if I took a few of the dropkicks around the back and put a bullet into their head, would save some innocent citizens some heart wrenching grief later on.

What this gubbermint is trying to do seems to smack of shooting itself in the foot and then cutting off it's nose to complete the whack around. Like anything else in life, you can leave, put up or shut up. Being the filthy biker scum I am, I always take the rebel view!

March on good people, I for one will welcome the chance to air out all my eccentric costumes to wear!

So much for just having a bit of a laff and being bolshie about things!

[slofox]

I'm sick of the teachers complaining.

I know plenty of people wanting a job at the moment. I would say most of them wouldn't care what they got paid - they just want a job.

And here we have a bunch of people, effectively guaranteed job security, wanting both an increase in their wages and even more of themselves to be employed, whilke the rest of the country struggles thanks to a global recession.

The teachers should be gratefull to have a guanateed pay check every week during these tough times.


I'm not sorry. They need to pull their heads in, and appreciate that they have it pretty sweet compared to many. Wait till times are a bit better before putting your hand out.

I would suggest, Mr dath, that perhaps you might try teaching for yourself...

[MSTRS:Me]

I know based on experience, if I took a few of the dropkicks around the back and put a bullet into their head, would save some innocent citizens some heart wrenching grief later on.

And that's just some of the teachers. Right?
Of course there are some gems out there too. Reasonably rare, though.
Feck, I don't think anyone should be allowed in a classroom until they've seen a bit of life. Instead, we get some who go to school and learn what The Man wants them to know, then on to Teachers Training College, then back into a classroom to teach the little innocents (!!) what The Man wants them to know...

[gijoe1313]

My oath, I know what you mean MSTRS, I was chatting to a bunch of them fresh faced newbies on practicum today. Barely out of senior high! I was a dodgy old coot before I threw myself under the wheels of the edjumacation system.

I has moar interesting work stories to regale the kids with!

[The Pastor]

Sorry, can't seem to figure this one out...

Why do teachers need a pay rise? Most people i've spoken to haven't had any pay rises for the last two years, due to the recession.....

[KiWiP]

After a four year degree (with honours) and a year teacher training starting salary is 45K before tax. A nurse starts on 45 with an ordinary degree (3years).
OECD report 'Education at a glance" showed that NZ teachers were at the lower end of the salary scale and the higher end of the hours worked when compared to most other countries.

But and I do say BUT this is not about salary. There are many reasons why someone may enter the teaching profession but money is not one of them. The money is crap and it probably always will be. We live with it.

The main thrust of this campaign is about teacher recruitment and retention. We are woefully short of a large number of specialist teachers in all key subjects (Science, Technology, English, Maths and more) and the average age of teachers is steadily rising (so more teachers retiring and less coming in) The conditions that teachers work in is key to ensuring we maintain a steady (and high) population of quality teachers. Proof of this is in the original presentation to the Government in the May PPTA Claim (which the then Education Secretary Karen Sewell refused to meet with us! go figure).
If you care to read the claims you will find that they center around issues which will enhance our effectiveness as teachers in and out of the class room. Salary is one issue in a 26 page document (page 12 if you haters want to find out why 4% and not the 20% that would bring us in line with Australia/UK/USA etc).

Finally (Phew) please listen to the government when they are interviewed (Key on salary). They keep harping on about 4%. We don't. They keep talking about the police and nurses accepting lower settlements. Fair do's but they earn more than us anyway for less qualifications (Police - no qualifications and $57K after a 19week training period where they get paid $38K(pro rata).

The government is refusing to address the issues that matter to the future of your children. Please don't just listen to the Governments rhetoric and flaming, listen as well to the teachers who are working to provide the best future they can for your children and New Zealand.

Value Education
Value Schools
Value Students
Value Teachers

[p.dath]

There is also data that says if Johnny is not helped at all - there is just as much chance he too may succeed.
I was quite amazed by that.

Will see if I can dig up the study - but I did read this nearly 10 years ago.

The "Mad Butcher" would be a perfect example of this. Not the best academically at school but a huge success in life.

[p.dath]

That is based on the 5 hour school day, it doesn't take into account all the hours teacher work before and after and during holidays. I know my wife is a teacher, it is a full on job which is not paid enough. The workload is getting hugely bigger and so are the class sizes.

My experience tends to suggest "new" teachers put in this effort, because they have to build up resources. Experienced teachers already have the resources to go, and don't have to invest this extra time. basically they are doing nearly the same thing every year. Pretty easy really.

[p.dath]

I would suggest, Mr dath, that perhaps you might try teaching for yourself...

I have done instruction in the past.

What I don't do is stay somewhere I'm not happy about it and then bitch about it constantly.

[p.dath]

After a four year degree (with honours) and a year teacher training starting salary is 45K before tax. A nurse starts on 45 with an ordinary degree (3years).

This tired old argument. The grass is greener on the other side of the fence story.

Some poor sad teacher seems someone else getting paid more, so they suddenly think they should be paid more. Doctors get paid even more. So what?

If your not happy getting paid $45k for a junior entry level job - then for gods sake go and do something else. No one is forcing them to accept the $45k. They are free to pursue any career they like.

[MSTRS:Me]

The "Mad Butcher" would be a perfect example of this. Not the best academically at school but a huge success in life.

Likewise, Bob Jones.

Proof that there are always those that can make a success of themselves, despite the lack of early opportunity, or indeed what their schooling did or didn't do for them. They are the exception in the normal scheme of things.

[avgas]

The "Mad Butcher" would be a perfect example of this. Not the best academically at school but a huge success in life.

Richard Branson comes to mind.....

[avgas]

They are the exception in the normal scheme of things.

Yes. But they are the exception to ALL normal things, not just those whom went without.
When you think about it there are millions walking around with higher education.......but earn less than the local, "low decile (sp)" individual.

Extra help at the bottom is required. But not to make these individuals succeed (as this only comes to personal drive). But to educate them enough that they have less children then their parents had.

Either that or we take the China approach.

[avgas]

After a four year degree (with honours) and a year teacher training starting salary is 45K before tax. A nurse starts on 45 with an ordinary degree (3years).

Its a bit hard to pull the wo-is-me over many of us here. Many of us are from an education background, or know of someone whom is.
5 years study is not too bad. I am rolling up to nearly a decade of the stuff (full time for only 5 of these - other 5 part-time). Bits-of-paper do not equal $. However they can help with authority.
You have to understand that you have picked a career where salary is not the goal. Neither is nursing, however there is more requirement for new nurses - and NZ is saturated with teachers. Some of which jump at any opportunity to get paid full time.
You have fucked yourself quite good if you only did this for money. If you want more money - do it like the rest of us, get a second job or study to the next level or work yourself into a high paid area (lots of call for physics, and similar teachers - starting pay $55K).